Worst Mass Slaying In Nebraska History Claims 9

[Zeebadee]

Worst Mass Slaying In Nebraska History Claims 9 - Omaha News Story - KETV Omaha

The worst mass slaying in Nebraska history claimed the lives of five men and three women, plus the shooter

If only more shoppers had been carrying guns this whole episode could have been much different. If, at the first sounds of gunfire, hundreds of shoppers had pulled out guns and started shooting at prospective perps, I'm sure the real perp wouldn't have had to shoot himself. And the cops, arriving on scene, being confronted with hundreds of armed people would have been very pleased with all the help they were getting. Hell, maybe we wouldn't have needed the cops at all. Yes, the clear answer to random shootings like this is simply to arm more people. With more people armed and ready to blast away at anyone else with a gun, we are all clearly going to be much safer.

[tinybear]

Why arm more people? Why not disarm everybody?

[Praxius]

Quote by: Zeebadee Worst Mass Slaying In Nebraska History Claims 9 - Omaha News Story - KETV Omaha If only more shoppers had been carrying guns this whole episode could have been much different. If, at the first sounds of gunfire, hundreds of shoppers had pulled out guns and started shooting at prospective perps, I'm sure the real perp wouldn't have had to shoot himself. And the cops, arriving on scene, being confronted with hundreds of armed people would have been very pleased with all the help they were getting. Hell, maybe we wouldn't have needed the cops at all. Yes, the clear answer to random shootings like this is simply to arm more people. With more people armed and ready to blast away at anyone else with a gun, we are all clearly going to be much safer.

Oh but didn't you know? This isn't an appropreate time to be discussing gun control and rights at a time when the families are mourning

We should just keep hush hush on this matter until the families have time to deal with their losses.... then we all forget to discuss actions and then it happens again, then we gotta be hush hush until those families cope.

[Osborn F Enready]

A damn shame.

Zee said: If only more shoppers had been carrying guns this whole episode could have been much different.

I agree.

Tiny said: Why not disarm everybody?

1. Its Unconstitutional
2. Its unreasonable
3. Its impossible

[Praxius]

You know, I see a lot of people say that if you take away the firearms, then people will still commit crimes with another weapon... but if this character couldn't obtain an SKS easily and had to resort to another weapon, chances are he wouldn't have been able to kill as many people as he did.

And nothing says Christmas like everybody going to the mall to shop with their kids loaded up with guns.

I see these firearms killing more then they are protecting, as those shooters in each situation ended their lives by their own hands and guns.... Nobody apparently get's a chance to get all cowboy on them.... so what's the point in the argument that they're for protection? I haven't seen anybody use this right to save lives or protect anybody in a while.

Maybe a law should be passed that everybody must carry a firearm on them at all times, and if you don't, then you could be charged for reduction of national security.

[Osborn F Enready]

Prax said: You know, I see a lot of people say that if you take away the firearms, then people will still commit crimes with another weapon... but if this character couldn't obtain an SKS easily and had to resort to another weapon, chances are he wouldn't have been able to kill as many people as he did.

This is pure, unadulterated, unsupported, unsupportable BS.

PROVE THIS PRAX. You can't, but you can speculate, just as I can.

You tell me how you know beyond any reasonable doubt that if this or any person who does such acts, can't get a gun, that they won't build a bomb, or something worse?

It is an absolute insult to place specualtion in the place of FACT, and call it fact. You don't know, you can't know, nor can any of us know. Why? Because HE IS DEAD, and unfortunately, so are a bunch of innocent people who HAD THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, which could have prevented this from spreading past the first one or two innocent victims.

Prax said: And nothing says Christmas like everybody going to the mall to shop with their kids loaded up with guns.

Are you purposely trying to be foolish? Kids don't have the right to keep and bear arms, as they are not of majority age.

Prax said: I see these firearms killing more then they are protecting

So disarm your police and military, and tell us how that works out for you?

Prax said: Nobody apparently get's a chance to get all cowboy on them.... so what's the point in the argument that they're for protection?

Obviously, none of the sheeple in the mall were observing their right to keep and bear arms. You can't disarm intelligent people because sheeple are to ignorant to know their rights. We owe nothing to peoples ignorance.

Prax said: I haven't seen anybody use this right to save lives or protect anybody in a while.

That is because the news and media don't cover it.... its not part of their anti-gun agenda.

Here is a site just to show you these examples: (all documented examples, I might add.)

NRA-ILA :: Armed Citizen

(use the search engine, and you will see the facts of arms used for defense)

[Chaossaber314]

With the current financial and mortgage situations in this country this will not be the last tragedy that occurs over this holiday season.


Fa la la la la, la la, la, la.

[Osborn F Enready]

I agree Chaos....

[brien]

You know, I see a lot of people say that if you take away the firearms, then people will still commit crimes with another weapon

In the absence of firearms, the guy could have merely strolled into the crowded mall and detonated a bomb around his waist and probably have killed more than 9 people. He killed himself immediately so it is clear he was suicidal.

Where is the same outrage from you anti gunners when people in the ME commit mass murder with bombs?

So what will you do after the guns are all gone? Eliminate every way to make a bomb? Absurd

You selective vocals, with all of your singular "outrage" and disdain, never cease to make me laugh when you cherry pick issues to make those of us who agree with the 2nd Amendment out to be "gun nuts." Will you ever learn it is people who kill people and not inanimate objects? Probably not because then you won't have anything to be outraged about then will you?

[HelioPrime]

Odd some people have such a dismal view of society.

There is no way to stop gun use for crime so the only answer is to recommend everyone walk around armed to the teeth - Anyone see the problem with this statement?

Do we fight fire with fire? I guess we fight incidents like this by just telling the people its your responsibility to protect yourself. Keep your shotgun and a backup pistol on you at all time. Shoot first, worry about the questions after they have 2 holes in the head.

[Chancellor]

Nine people were killed? Oh, that's really a tragedy! Yeah, right!

What about the 70 or more miners who were killed in China (TV: China mine blast kills at least 70 - China - MSNBC.com Why is that not a tragedy? Why is nine people in Nebraska worthy of our attention but the more than 70 in China aren't?

I guess a person's death becomes more meaningful if it was caused by some madman on a rampage than if it was caused by a work-related accident. Yeah, right!

[GHook93]

Quote by: Zeebadee Worst Mass Slaying In Nebraska History Claims 9 - Omaha News Story - KETV Omaha If only more shoppers had been carrying guns this whole episode could have been much different. If, at the first sounds of gunfire, hundreds of shoppers had pulled out guns and started shooting at prospective perps, I'm sure the real perp wouldn't have had to shoot himself. And the cops, arriving on scene, being confronted with hundreds of armed people would have been very pleased with all the help they were getting. Hell, maybe we wouldn't have needed the cops at all. Yes, the clear answer to random shootings like this is simply to arm more people. With more people armed and ready to blast away at anyone else with a gun, we are all clearly going to be much safer.

Yep, more guns is the solution!
If everyone is shooting at everyone else, guaranteed there would be more than just 8 dead civilians!

[brien]

There is no way to stop gun use for crime

This self serving statement is absurd. Try prosecuting people who commit crimes with firearms with a swift and certain penalty that will assure criminals that when they use firearms they will be removed from society for a long period of time.

But it is so much easier to blame the gun than it is the criminal or the government that is soft on the criminals who use the guns.

When you all are through with your self serving arguments, you may want to consider prosecuting criminals rather than blaming firearms.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready A damn shame. I agree. 1. Its Unconstitutional 2. Its unreasonable 3. Its impossible

Ron Paul is that you? Oz do you have an opinion that you have not formed from Radical Paul's propaganda machine?

There is a balancing test with every amendment in the constitution. If your right to carry guns is outweighed by the threat to society (such as being allowed to carry a firearm to a courthouse) then your right to carry the firearm is not protected! ==> Take a constitution law class before you self-proclaim yourself as an expert.

More guns in civilians hands in that situation is not what is needed. Going back to the wild west is not only a bad solution, its a brainless suggestion!

If I own a mall I would be more worried about everyone carrying guns around and robbing the businesses in the mall or arguments turning into a gun fight, rather than a making sure the public was armed to take 1 crazy nut out.

[jose]

have we had this conversation before? its not the guns that is the problem, its mind altering drugs

Omaha Shooter Robert Hawkins Had Been "Treated" For ADHD, Depression

Omaha Shooter Robert Hawkins Had Been "Treated" For ADHD, Depression

[brien]

Nine people were killed? Oh, that's really a tragedy! Yeah, right!

Hundreds, probably thousands, of people are murdered every year in the Middle East with suicide bombers so where is the outrage from the handwringing anti gunners. It isn't there because they are selective in their hypocrisy.

[Osborn F Enready]

Helio said: Odd some people have such a dismal view of society.

Dismal? I call it realist.

Yes, I could dream it were better, but it would be a dream, and dreams don't often come true WITHOUT ACTION.

Defense is an action to better society, laying down to be a victim does nothing but promote more people to become exploiters of victims.

Helio said: There is no way to stop gun use for crime so the only answer is to recommend everyone walk around armed to the teeth - Anyone see the problem with this statement?

Yes, that isn't the case.

What is "armed to the teeth", and who has recommended that?

I reccommend carrying and training for self-defense.

Helio said: Do we fight fire with fire?

We use logic and reason to understand that water works better, much like we use logic and reason to understand that UNJUST force can only be dealt with by JUST FORCE.

What would be your actions in this incident, if you were a victim?

Helio said: I guess we fight incidents like this by just telling the people its your responsibility to protect yourself.

That is a fact, it would behoove people to understand it, and prepare for it.

Have you ever seen a police department that offered man to man coverage?

Helio said: Keep your shotgun and a backup pistol on you at all time. Shoot first, worry about the questions after they have 2 holes in the head.

Nobody has said, or advocated such nonsense other than the anti-gunners in attempts to "remove reason" from the argument of firearms.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Praxius And nothing says Christmas like everybody going to the mall to shop with their kids loaded up with guns. Maybe a law should be passed that everybody must carry a firearm on them at all times, and if you don't, then you could be charged for reduction of national security.

LOL, so true! The suggestion make in the first post was that the people should be armed and that would solve the problem. LOL
Good points Prax

[Chancellor]

Quote by: GHook93 There is a balancing test with every amendment in the constitution. If your right to carry guns is outweighed by the threat to society (such as being allowed to carry a firearm to a courthouse) then your right to carry the firearm is not protected! ==> Take a constitution law class before you self-proclaim yourself as an expert.

Where is this balancing test found in the Constitution or in any of its 27 amendments? People who call themselves "experts" in so-called "constitutional law" are doing nothing more than expressing opinions.

More guns in civilians hands in that situation is not what is needed. Going back to the wild west is not only a bad solution, its a brainless suggestion!

Why isn't more guns in the hands of civilians the solution? Why must we rely on the nanny state to protect us? And, for that matter, where was your damned nanny state when this event occurred?

If I own a mall I would be more worried about everyone carrying guns around and robbing the businesses in the mall or arguments turning into a gun fight, rather than a making sure the public was armed to take 1 crazy nut out.

You falsely assume that just because someone has a gun that he or she is going to rob businesses. Your worry is unfounded.

[Praxius]

Great, yet another one who can't read simple text.... sigh:

Quote by: Osborn F Enready This is pure, unadulterated, unsupported, unsupportable BS.

So is the concept that owning a firearm is actually protecting you..... but oh well.

PROVE THIS PRAX. You can't, but you can speculate, just as I can. You tell me how you know beyond any reasonable doubt that if this or any person who does such acts, can't get a gun, that they won't build a bomb, or something worse?

Who said anything about proving? I already figured you or someone else would bring up the bomb concept.

Bombs are already illegal in most countries as it is and if someone wants to get their hands on a weapon to do harm, if one is motivated enough, chances are they will..... but if you restrict the accessibility of that weapon, rather then basically telling them it's their right to own that weapon and hand it to them without question, then there's an obvious problem.

And the fact that... um.... how many mass shootings has this been in the US just this year alone? One would logically conclude that your constitutional right to bear arms isn't making your country anymore safe then any other country which restricts.

You want something proven, prove that the right to bear arms is indeed making your country more safe in comparison to others.

Oh yeah, you can't.

It is an absolute insult to place specualtion in the place of FACT, and call it fact.

Yeah well you only have yourself to be insulted by, because not once in my above quote did I say anything was "FACT."

I said "Chances Are...." one normally considders that containing a margin of error when one says "Chances Are"

Read Next time.

You don't know, you can't know, nor can any of us know. Why? Because HE IS DEAD, and unfortunately, so are a bunch of innocent people who HAD THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, which could have prevented this from spreading past the first one or two innocent victims.

Oh good old fashion hypocracy, you gotta love it.

First you claim that what I stated can not be proven and there are no facts in what I say because now they're all dead..... and yet you turn around for your defense for firearms, saying that if these guys did have guns on them, this situation would have been prevented.....

PROVE THIS! Oh yeah, you can't, because they're all DEAD.

pssh.... at least I'm consistant.

Are you purposely trying to be foolish? Kids don't have the right to keep and bear arms, as they are not of majority age.

Oh ffs. Oz... READ!

And nothing says Christmas like everybody going to the mall to shop with their kids loaded up with guns

where did I say the kids were armed? Oh yeah, I didn't.

So disarm your police and military, and tell us how that works out for you?

My police and military arn't the ones going around shooting people in malls to be "famous" And my comment you quoted wasn't in reference to the police or military, but the common dough heads out there who abuse the accessibility and rights to own those weapons.

How many years in a row has this all occured based on similar cercumstances? Has anybody actually tried to place a solution out there to solve these sort of crimes? Nope.... it's always forgotten about until the next one, then brushed off to the side and nothing done yet again..... great solutions I see down there.

Obviously, none of the sheeple in the mall were observing their right to keep and bear arms. You can't disarm intelligent people because sheeple are to ignorant to know their rights. We owe nothing to peoples ignorance.

So then it's these dead people's fault for dieing because they wern't carrying their firearms? (That's what it sounds like to me)

It's their own ignorance in not considdering some insane maniac was going to shoot everybody up in the mall and they didn't take a gun with them in the first place?

That says something about your society when you gotta think twice about taking a gun with you when you go christmas shopping at the local mall. Maybe the US is just too far advanced for me to wrap my brain around this logic.... my bad.

That is because the news and media don't cover it.... its not part of their anti-gun agenda. Here is a site just to show you these examples: (all documented examples, I might add.) NRA-ILA :: Armed Citizen (use the search engine, and you will see the facts of arms used for defense)

Yeah, I've seen these before, didn't help anybody in this situation.... and for the number of reports you find where someone protected themselves with a gun, I can probably show you an equal ammount of reports where someone protected themselves without a gun..... it's not hard, nor is it any decent defense.