Police seeking wider eavesdropping powers

[Dieval]

Quote by: Keith Hamburger However, if they're not terrorists, they are simply common criminals, and it is a travesty to use such powers against common criminals, as you yourself said. Keith

Why?

Lets see, under current law, the meth manufacturer gets 6 months if arrested. Using the new laws, he gets 12 years. Sorry, again, I have no remorse for meth manufacturers.

[Dieval]

Quote by: Chancellor If you want to live in a police state then please get the hell out of my country and go live in Cuba!

Well, as we're talking about CANADA. I don't believe that CANADA is your country, so your statement here doesn't work so well.

[Dieval]

Quote by: Chancellor Well, since I wasn't actually QUOTING anyone, you have no basis for accusing me of MISQUOTING. If I had been QUOTING, there would have been QUOTATION MARKS around the statement!

Yet you were trying to use a line that someone else said....

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Dieval Yet you were trying to use a line that someone else said....

No, I merely paraphrased and, in so doing, made it my own statement.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Dieval Well, as we're talking about CANADA. I don't believe that CANADA is your country, so your statement here doesn't work so well.

For many, there is no real distinction between the United States and Canada.

Regardless, if you want to live in a police state then please go live in Cuba!

[Dieval]

Quote by: Chancellor For many, there is no real distinction between the United States and Canada.

Except them being 2 distinctly different countries, with different laws, different people, different geographic areas, etc, etc, etc....yeah, no distinctions...

Quote by: Chancellor Regardless, if you want to live in a police state then please go live in Cuba!

I don't want to live in a police state(and as much as people claim that we are in one currently, it just isn't true), but I want the authorities to be able to find the criminals/terrorists/whatever and deal with them appropriately.

[Milton Bradley]

Even if the crimes aren't really crimes, but determined to be criminal by the people who are breaking the legitimate laws,

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Dieval Except them being 2 distinctly different countries, with different laws, different people, different geographic areas, etc, etc, etc....yeah, no distinctions...

My previous statement stands.

I don't want to live in a police state(and as much as people claim that we are in one currently, it just isn't true), but I want the authorities to be able to find the criminals/terrorists/whatever and deal with them appropriately.

Law enforcement already has what it needs in a free society to find these people and deal with them appropriately: it does not need additional powers. Again, take your police state mentality and go live in Cuba since you clearly want to give government more power and citizens less liberty.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Even if the crimes aren't really crimes, but determined to be criminal by the people who are breaking the legitimate laws,

The real criminals (at least in the United States) are the people who have been usurping more and more federal power. Since Canada is, for all intents and purposes, a socialist state, I can't see why the issue of wider eavesdropping powers would evoke anything more than a yawn at the non-news. Its so-called Charter of Rights and Freedoms is a joke and serves to limit individual liberties in favor of the socialist state.

[Dieval]

Quote by: Chancellor My previous statement stands.

Stands a bit crooked and backwards maybe...

Quote by: Chancellor Law enforcement already has what it needs in a free society to find these people and deal with them appropriately: it does not need additional powers.

So now you know everything and can dictate to people what they do and don't need to do their job, in Canada no less? Are you a member of any Canadian authority? Do you know that forsure?

Quote by: Chancellor Again, take your police state mentality and go live in Cuba since you clearly want to give government more power and citizens less liberty.

Stop trying to shove your BS police state propaganda down my throat please.

[Matt W]

How about you drop the cheap personal shots at each other?

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[Praxius]

*Twiddles thumbs* la la la.....

So yeah, no new news on this topic yet, as I imagine it'll take a few days to hear what happens.

*Strolls back out*

[Keith Hamburger]

Quote by: Dieval Why? Lets see, under current law, the meth manufacturer gets 6 months if arrested. Using the new laws, he gets 12 years. Sorry, again, I have no remorse for meth manufacturers.

Just because a law was written, doesn't make it just.

Just because the overpowering government, in conjunction with the DEA (or is that redundant?) declares an INDIVIDUAL with a meth lab in his basement, for his own personal profit a "terrorist" doesn't make that definition correct.

If you agree with every definition handed down by every congressperson and bureaucrat as "gospel", you sir, are an idiot.

If calling you an idiot merits me a violation, so be it. Even if it gets me banned from this forum. So be it. You, sir, are an idiot, if you accept every law and regulation passed by our government as being "handed down by God".

You sir, as far as I can tell from what you have posted to date, are an IDIOT.

Keith

[Dieval]

Quote by: Keith Hamburger Just because a law was written, doesn't make it just.

Just becuase you disagree with laws does not make them unjust.

Quote by: Keith Hamburger Just because the overpowering government, in conjunction with the DEA (or is that redundant?) declares an INDIVIDUAL with a meth lab in his basement, for his own personal profit a "terrorist" doesn't make that definition correct.

I don't believe that they were declaring him a "terrorist" but rather a danger(ie using very dangerous and explosive chemicals in making meth) to himself and the community around him. Again, I have no remorse for meth manufacturers/dealers, etc.

Quote by: Keith Hamburger If you agree with every definition handed down by every congressperson and bureaucrat as "gospel", you sir, are an idiot. If calling you an idiot merits me a violation, so be it. Even if it gets me banned from this forum. So be it. You, sir, are an idiot, if you accept every law and regulation passed by our government as being "handed down by God". You sir, as far as I can tell from what you have posted to date, are an IDIOT. Keith

I won't even address this blatent violation.