UK Tightens Up - Travel delays loom as Britain moves to defend against terrorism

[Praxius]

Travel delays loom as Britain moves to defend against terrorism

Travellers face new delays and disruption on trips to Britain under government plans unveiled Wednesday to tighten defences against terrorism at airports, rail stations and major public spaces. Prime Minister Gordon Brown said airports and 250 of the busiest train terminals will get new blast barriers. The plan also calls for new baggage checks at major rail terminals, strict limits on cars dropping travellers off near departure gates, and, at times of heightened threat, frisking customers before they enter shopping malls. Thousands of movie theatres, shopping malls, hospitals and schools will be advised on how to protect the public from bombs. Brown said internet and technology companies will be asked to help stop online terrorist propaganda, and he announced that a meeting would be convened with leading British internet service providers to find ways of accomplishing that. The plan is the result of a sweeping security review of nearly 900 public spaces by Terrorism Minister Alan West, former head of navy and defence intelligence, in the wake of the failed attacks in June on a London entertainment district and Glasgow airport. West warned that the battle against extremists would likely last a generation. Also Wednesday, a high-speed Eurostar train service was launched, aiming to shave 20 minutes off a London-Paris trip and 25 minutes off the London-Brussels route. The new fast train service was made possible by the completion of a high-speed line from London to the Channel Tunnel, part of a $12-billion project. Trains can now reach the maximum 186 mph in Britain. France, which has a national network of high-speed railways, completed its part of the link in 1993, a year before the tunnel opened. The high-speed line from the tunnel to Brussels was finished in 1997.

Did anybody else pick up on that?

Frisking people entering Shopping Malls?

Seems someone is going a tad bit overboard.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Praxius Travel delays loom as Britain moves to defend against terrorism Did anybody else pick up on that? Frisking people entering Shopping Malls? Seems someone is going a tad bit overboard.

Well oddly enough the idea of attacking shopping malls is already used often in fictional books.

So far the progression of attacks there has changed, going from transportation to nightclubs. Perhaps insider information shopping places might be next?

[Praxius]

Quote by: HelioPrime Well oddly enough the idea of attacking shopping malls is already used often in fictional books. So far the progression of attacks there has changed, going from transportation to nightclubs. Perhaps insider information shopping places might be next?

Yeah I heard about so-called Al Q'eda or whatever planned attacks in two malls in the US.... whether that was true or not remains to be seen, as I have not looked it up yet myself.

But don't you think this screening and frisking of people going in and out of the malls is a little excessive? I mean frig I thought those damn fools at Wal-Mart were bad enough with their stupid green stickers they want to put on the bags you come in with

I imagine X-mas will be fun.... but I just see all this as one more step closer to what many refer to here as a Police State, and less freedom.

Is all this just for peace of mind? Who's peace of mind?

[Arawn-ap-Hywel]

Ah we feed the fear so well here in the UK

[tinybear]

The more frightened we get, the more the terrorists have won.

[Arawn-ap-Hywel]

I wonder how much of this is to prepare us for better control, so the movement of the masses become easier for those in control?

[Milton Bradley]

How about this little development, I won't be spending any money at shopping malls this year.


If this paranoia goes mach farther, I'm going to have to start putting ( other ) people out of my misery. Like my Fathers line used so often during moments of frustration, I'm considering suicide, I'm just not sure whos yet.

[Praxius]

You know, most of the big Democratic countries, and I even see traces in it in my own country, which they all have in common?

More security, more devision, more paranoia, more confusion, more "Protection" keeps coming our way, and it's in such an overloading manner, that it's devided the public in each country, where one side thinks it's a good thing, and the other see's what's going on.

It's to add futher control over the country, devide the opinions of the public and continually make any form of protests or revolutions as fragile as possible.

[Milton Bradley]

It'll be a New World Order.


Revolt, or suffer the consequences.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Milton Bradley It'll be a New World Order. Revolt, or suffer the consequences.

I suggest a popular revolt as an option, as well. Though I'm not too keen on the idea of violence solving much. I'm more into mass scale civil disobedience, myself -- I'm a fan of people like Thoreau and Gandhi.

Grandpa h.

[Milton Bradley]

Anything, but repeating past behavior, and expecting a different result.

[Praxius]

Quote by: grandpa I suggest a popular revolt as an option, as well. Though I'm not too keen on the idea of violence solving much. I'm more into mass scale civil disobedience, myself -- I'm a fan of people like Thoreau and Gandhi. Grandpa h.

In my view, it's far beyond attempting to be disobedient or protesting verbally. Action is all these people in power understand, so I see action as being the only solution at this time.

In my view, you UK and US citizens have been far far too nice in your protesting and opposition, and it's gotten nowhere.... they had their chance, now they must face the consiquences of their actions against the citizens of said countries.

For the US, I would form an organization representing the people of the United States, request that all take their arms and form your militias, march onto Washington, state by accordence of the US Consitution that you the people are hereby demanding the removal of the current government regiem or face removal by force, by the rights given to you as US Citizens and to protect your country.

They can not, nor will not be able to ignore a movement such as this, and once the rest of the country sees a large and powerful movement taking place for the rights of every citizen, more will follow, and many troops in the US army I am most certainly asured would rather join their families and citizens then their government which treats them like 2nd class citizens.

As it goes for the UK..... I imagine the same thing could work.

As it goes for my own country.... I have yet to see anything that has gone against the rights of our citizens to the point of oppression..... but once something like this that has occured in the UK occurs here in Canada, I'll be one of the first to get the ball rolling, that is for sure.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Praxius As it goes for my own country.... I have yet to see anything that has gone against the rights of our citizens to the point of oppression..... but once something like this that has occured in the UK occurs here in Canada, I'll be one of the first to get the ball rolling, that is for sure.

Then you'd be one of the first and few arrested and thrown into jail while the general public goes on watching football and "Its a Wonderful Life".

Gas could hit 12.00 per gallon, Bush could declare declare himself president for life, etc...and the general population will not do much. People in both Canada and the US, and much of the western world for that matter worry to much over their material lives to risk everything and attack the status quo.

The establishment has already won. Were slaves to our own greed and lifestyles now. The few people here willing to give up their lifestyles for change are a bare minority.

[Praxius]

Quote by: HelioPrime Then you'd be one of the first and few arrested and thrown into jail while the general public goes on watching football and "Its a Wonderful Life".

Then that would be the chances I would be taking.... but I'm not going to bend my principles or the life I know and enjoy today out of fear of jailtime for speaking out or wanting change.

Gas could hit 12.00 per gallon, Bush could declare declare himself president for life, etc...and the general population will not do much. People in both Canada and the US, and much of the western world for that matter worry to much over their material lives to risk everything and attack the status quo.

Some, not all. And I feel it's more that these people who do not act or usually stand up, will instead fall behind whoever they feel will give them the best deals in life.... and if it is done right, they would know which sides to stand on.

Any movement I would create would not be a forced on that all must follow.... that would be counter active.

The establishment has already won. Were slaves to our own greed and lifestyles now. The few people here willing to give up their lifestyles for change are a bare minority.

Then that says something about your own principles if you feel this way..... I don't. If you already think they won and there is no chance to correct what is already going on, then indeed they have.... but I don't, therefore they haven't.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Praxius Then that says something about your own principles if you feel this way..... I don't. If you already think they won and there is no chance to correct what is already going on, then indeed they have.... but I don't, therefore they haven't.

I guess I wouldn't be like most posters here. I'd rather be alive even if unhappy that just a a nameless victim who was killed in protest of the government.

There is nothing to look up to in people willing to throw their life away for some article of paper and ideals 200 years old.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: HelioPrime I guess I wouldn't be like most posters here. I'd rather be alive even if unhappy that just a a nameless victim who was killed in protest of the government.

Enjoy your suffering.

Quote by: HelioPrime There is nothing to look up to in people willing to throw their life away for some article of paper and ideals 200 years old.

It's not a two hundred year old concept to desire that lying, theft, corruption, coercion, and fraud not be part of your every day life.


However two hundred plus yers ago people with guts finally had the opportunity to stand up, and demand as much, and now their progeny are too apathetic to defend that better life.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Milton Bradley However two hundred plus yers ago people with guts finally had the opportunity to stand up, and demand as much, and now their progeny are too apathetic to defend that better life.

Well when are you going to take up your arms and fight?

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: HelioPrime Well when are you going to take up your arms and fight?

I'm ready now. It's just that recruiting drive is suffering.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Milton Bradley I'm ready now. It's just that recruiting drive is suffering.

Then until you move out with you revolution don't blame Mr. and Mrs. Jones for being sheep

[Praxius]

Quote by: HelioPrime I guess I wouldn't be like most posters here. I'd rather be alive even if unhappy that just a a nameless victim who was killed in protest of the government. There is nothing to look up to in people willing to throw their life away for some article of paper and ideals 200 years old.

See I couldn't give a rats ass about a 200 year old piece of paper someone wrote 2 centuries ago in a totally different time of life.

All I know today is how I feel life should be for most, what those I talk to desire in life, the difficulties which we all go through in life that we all have just accepted as the normal way of life.

There is just so much wrong with the world today, but not like it used to be, where it was a couple of big hairy problems we all couldn't avoid..... now they're all thousands of little tiny issues, which when you look at them all, all add up to one bigger hairy problem which we don't see everyday..... and it just gets worse and worse.

And besides.... our so-called Democratic nations shouldn't be killing any protesters in the first place.... freedom of speech and all.

Also, after so many years of false leaders and corrupt organizations which most have depended on for so long, it would seem most have given up that there may be people out there who are willing to sacrafice their lives for what they believe in....

a trait which seems to have been lost on most it would seem.

See, I'm just about as opinionated here as I am in real life, and how I explain things here is how I explain things in real life. I'm by no means afraid of any government or anybody for that matter, as I can not control what others do in their lives..... but I'll be damned if I am gonna be forced by others to do anything that goes beyond my principles..... and they'll be in for a fight if they think they can.

Another thing is that I'm not some conspiratist at heart, I go by what information is provided and make the best education decision on what to do. I see so many here talking about what to do to prevent upcoming wars, let alone WWIII.... but I already realize that the Third World War is coming no matter what any of us do or say.... I've accepted this.... and many will be dieing.

Sure WWIII will be delayed here and there by others' decisions and actions who are educated in what's going on.... but in the end if it's not Iraq, it's Afghanistan.... if it's not Afghanistan, it's Iran..... if it's not Iran, it's Syria.... if it's none of them, you still have China, Russia, Pakiatan, North Korea and many more to worry about.

I just know that shorty in our lifetimes.... no matter what your stance is, whether or not you are comfortible with your lives now or not, whether you believe there is going to be another great war or not... it's all irrelevent, because not just by statistical chances or all the piling evidence which is leading up to it..... we are all going to have to take action for our own individual survival.

If it doesn't happen.... hey there ya go... but I've already accepted the future is gonna be very very sucky. We're just seeing the tip of the iceberg in the horizon.

And the more we fight the oppression which is gradually being put on us by our nations, the better chance we'll have of survival when this all goes down..... that's where my stance is..... it's not because I want a cushy life right now.... it's so I have a better chance at survival down the road so that if and when some of us survive, some will remember what freedom was all about once apon a time.