U.S. justices could decide constitutionality of gun ownership

[brien]

I still haven't seen any logical solution to the random gun related violence yet... except to add more guns to the equation...... isn't gonna work....

Try punishing the criminal who uses the firearm in the commission of a crime with these penalties:

Ist offense: 10 years minimum, no parole.

2nd offense: 20 year minimum, no parole

3rd Offense: Life no parole.

And if a criminal discharges a firearm during the commission of a crime and wounds an innocent person, then he/she should be sentenced for 20 years no parole. Of course murder w/ a firearm should be life no parole.

Enact these penalties and I am certain we will see the incidence of firearms related crimes subside.

[Osborn F Enready]

Prax said: Never said it was subjective, you implied that is what I ment

Wrong, welcome to the FACT that you aren't being honest:

This thread: post #47
Worst Mass Slaying In Nebraska History Claims 9

Prax said: Logic is subjective and trying to enforce one's own logic onto someone else is no different then forcing an opinion.

Logic is not subjective, and you said it was. After I pointed it out, you tried backing down and downplaying it. Now you want to lie, and say you didn't say it. Ok Praxident Bush.

[brien]

Logic is not subjective,

Os I remember Prax writing this also. I thought it strange as well.

Perhaps he doesn't remember so well because smoking too much weed has been linked to short term memory disfunction in some indidviduals. I have nothing against smoking weed but when it gets in the way of memory, then perhaps some changes are in order. But then again, it could merely be like that river, denial. Or perhaps he has taken a page from the Clinton handbook, deny, deny, deny.

Fess up Prax. You are caught up in an contradiction of your own admissions.

Good call, Os.

[Praxius]

Quote by: brien Wrong .... You and the Sonarts of the world will never get it because you are elitist people who think you know better than everyone else how to tackle the problem of gun violence. Your solution is the ONLY way.

Hmmm... let's see... considering I haven't required to use a gun for self defense in my life thus far, I'm still alive, just like you.... and um.... yeah I can't really put a finger on any of my family or any nearby friends who ever got shot where I live....... Hmmmmm.....

Logically one would consider the possibility that a firearm as a right is not required for your survival.

It has nothing to do about being some elitist or more holier then thou..... it's life experience against life experience in this matter. As I said in another thread a while back, if your country has such high crime, so many murders, so many gun related crimes to the point where you must have a gun to protect yourself, then that says something about your society as a whole and it's overall security.

Sorry, but it's just my irrelevant opinion, but that doesn't sound like "The Greatest Country in the Free World" if you ask me, but hey, what do I know?

You don't get the fact that people who use firearms in the commission of a crime are the problem, not the gun. You elitists want to punish law abiding citizens rather than the criminals. Typical

Not exactly... we punish both equally, however if one does obtain a gun during a situation where you are defending your life and then use it to kill the other person, that is still self defense and there's no charge from my knowledge.

Not to mention, if you get a hold of the the criminal's gun and kill him with it, then thems the breaks.

For some reason you seem to like to make it all sound kinda silly like we let criminals with guns just walk.... nice twist to suit your position, but flawed.

I don't know how many times I have to write it but the surest way to solve crimes involving firearms is to punish the criminal with severe, swift and certain penalties. Firearms don't discharge themselves. Surely even the dimwits in the world realize that it is criminals who are responsible for crimes involving firearms, not the guns.

If you can be arrested and charged for possession of a bomb suit, then you should be charged with possession of an unregistered/non-licensed firearm... I mean, it's not the bomb that kills everyone, it's the bomber.

But, hey be an ostrich, the feathers suit you well.

Pssh.... ok there buddy, here have an egg, I warmed it just for you.

[Praxius]

Quote by: brien Try punishing the criminal who uses the firearm in the commission of a crime with these penalties: Ist offense: 10 years minimum, no parole. 2nd offense: 20 year minimum, no parole 3rd Offense: Life no parole. And if a criminal discharges a firearm during the commission of a crime and wounds an innocent person, then he/she should be sentenced for 20 years no parole. Of course murder w/ a firearm should be life no parole. Enact these penalties and I am certain we will see the incidence of firearms related crimes subside.

That's all fine and dandy, we have similar laws up here as well, but that does not solve my question or the problem presented.

I shall rephrase my question on the real life issue:

How do you prevent people from continuing these types of crimes of mass shootings and murders, if they are in almost every case, actually all of them, are suicidal and die before they are even arrested?

This is the new trend now a days, even buddy at the university in Montreal not too long ago.

Oh yeah, and to save everybody time in you trying to use that as an example of a failed system.... compare totals between each countries in these situations and see who has the most and ponder just for a second as to why.

But back to the question. What is the solution to reducing the amount of these suicidal mass shooters?

And I am not expecting an answer of no firearms.... I'm looking for another answer besides that, which would help both countries and cultures, including those who still want their rights to firearms.

See I have a solution which keeps both parties happy in their own way, as when I was a wee lad in high school, I came to that 50/50 mentality where you either do it or don't... of course I got smart and didn't, nor have any plans to do so, but I know what is being looked for in each situation.

and just blabbing it out isn't any fun at all now is it?

[Praxius]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Wrong, welcome to the FACT that you aren't being honest: This thread: post #47 Worst Mass Slaying In Nebraska History Claims 9

Well so I did, I stand corrected. (Now I'm actually wondering how many times I ever used that word, because I actually hate it)

But either way.... Logic Evolves. Quote that next time, because that's my final answer Oz.

Logic is not subjective, and you said it was. After I pointed it out, you tried backing down and downplaying it. Now you want to lie, and say you didn't say it. Ok Praxident Bush.

Oh well, nobody's perfect.... just be glad I didn't send you off to war yet.

I was mistaken as I personally don't like the word, among many, so I didn't think I would have wrote it.... but there you go. Life moves on.

Oh yeah, and after a while of saying Praxident Bush, you may require to rinse your mouth out with some of this:



You know... to get that awful taste out of your mouth.

[mark3748]

Quote by: Praxius That's all fine and dandy, we have similar laws up here as well, but that does not solve my question or the problem presented. I shall rephrase my question on the real life issue: How do you prevent people from continuing these types of crimes of mass shootings and murders, if they are in almost every case, actually all of them, are suicidal and die before they are even arrested? This is the new trend now a days, even buddy at the university in Montreal not too long ago. Oh yeah, and to save everybody time in you trying to use that as an example of a failed system.... compare totals between each countries in these situations and see who has the most and ponder just for a second as to why. But back to the question. What is the solution to reducing the amount of these suicidal mass shooters? And I am not expecting an answer of no firearms.... I'm looking for another answer besides that, which would help both countries and cultures, including those who still want their rights to firearms. See I have a solution which keeps both parties happy in their own way, as when I was a wee lad in high school, I came to that 50/50 mentality where you either do it or don't... of course I got smart and didn't, nor have any plans to do so, but I know what is being looked for in each situation. and just blabbing it out isn't any fun at all now is it?

I answered the question as best I could previously, and just gave some info that I have based my opinions on (cold, hard statistics) in another thread. Link: Gunman, victim killed in Colo. church attack

[Sonart]

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Quote by: brien Try punishing the criminal who uses the firearm in the commission of a crime with these penalties: Ist offense: 10 years minimum, no parole. 2nd offense: 20 year minimum, no parole 3rd Offense: Life no parole. And if a criminal discharges a firearm during the commission of a crime and wounds an innocent person, then he/she should be sentenced for 20 years no parole. Of course murder w/ a firearm should be life no parole. Enact these penalties and I am certain we will see the incidence of firearms related crimes subside.

{{SLAPS FOREHEAD}}

Of course, get tough on crime!! Now why didn't I think of that??

Oh wait, that's right... because we've already done that. In fact we've been doing it for years, and it's turned the U.S. into the new Gulag Archipelago, with the largest per capita prison population in the world. Here in California our prisons are so over-crowded we can't build them fast enough... or afford to keep building them.

And yet we're STILL among the most violent nations on earth.

Got a plan B, brien??

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[Praxius]

Quote by: brien Os I remember Prax writing this also. I thought it strange as well. Perhaps he doesn't remember so well because smoking too much weed has been linked to short term memory disfunction in some indidviduals.

Yeah ok.... beyond your ignorant response towards something which was posted by time of when I was on a break (Now looking back on it) you think I'm gonna remember all my words I throw out which come to mind?

At least I speak my mind when it comes to me and I don't bother to sit there for 5 mins to think about it.

Oh yeah, and that people can screw up anytime, and based since the time I registered here, that might have been two screw ups?

Remind me to give you a personal attack as soon as you screw up sometime how about?

Now how about getting on with your lives and getting back to the topic? Last I check it has nothing to do with whatever the hell is subjective or not, nor does it disqualify anything in which I've said thus far on the topic.... oh and if you're going to get that picky, then perhaps I'll just do a quick search and black/white the rest of your comments from here on in......

seriously grow up people.

I have nothing against smoking weed but when it gets in the way of memory, then perhaps some changes are in order. But then again, it could merely be like that river, denial. Or perhaps he has taken a page from the Clinton handbook, deny, deny, deny. Fess up Prax. You are caught up in an contradiction of your own admissions. Good call, Os.

Oh wow.... how sad. Gotta love it when you post the majority of the news and information on this site with the most resources per day being supplied, I suppose anybody will love to jump on one mix up to get on their high horses.

Bravo.... I'm really impressed

Oh and the fact that you're so willing to jump on the "It must be the weed" wagon.... psh.... could you possibly be anymore ignorant?

I love how defensive and petty you guys get when someone says something negative about your constitution or rights to guns for your precious defense..... mind sticking to the question and the potential solution which benefits all parties?

It's a good one.

[mark3748]

Quote by: Sonart . {{SLAPS FOREHEAD}} Of course, get tough on crime!! Now why didn't I think of that?? Oh wait, that's right... because we've already done that. In fact we've been doing it for years, and it's turned the U.S. into the new Gulag Archipelago, with the largest per capita prison population in the world. Here in California our prisons are so over-crowded we can't build them fast enough... or afford to keep building them. Got a plan B, brien?? .

The prisons are overcrowded because of non-violent drug offenders, and they are continually releasing violent criminals to make room for more non-violent "criminals". Nice try though.

[Praxius]

Quote by: mark3748 I answered the question as best I could previously, and just gave some info that I have based my opinions on (cold, hard statistics) in another thread. Link: Gunman, victim killed in Colo. church attack

Read it... bunch of statistics, it's already being implemented... not working on the issue presented on these new suicide mass murderers, nor is the solution for preventing these people from ever picking up a gun (clue #1)

[Zeebadee]

Gun advocates better enjoy their "constitutional right" while they can. I think it's inevitable that the ruling will eventually go against individual gun ownership.

[Osborn F Enready]

Zee said: Gun advocates better enjoy their "constitutional right" while they can.

I can, and will, until they day I kick it Zee.

[brien]

Hmmm... let's see... considering I haven't required to use a gun for self defense in my life thus far, I'm still alive, just like you.... and um.... yeah I can't really put a finger on any of my family or any nearby friends who ever got shot where I live....... Hmmmmm.....

How myopic of you. Just as I surmised, the world revolves around Praxius.

If you can be arrested and charged for possession of a bomb suit, then you should be charged with possession of an unregistered/non-licensed firearm... I mean, it's not the bomb that kills everyone, it's the bomber

You are finally beginning to understand now.

[brien]

How do you prevent people from continuing these types of crimes of mass shootings and murders, if they are in almost every case, actually all of them, are suicidal and die before they are even arrested?

You can't. Even if guns didn't exist, they would use bombs, as they do in the M.E. You are delusional if you think that by removing all firearms that these type of situations would never happen.

What is the solution to reducing the amount of these suicidal mass shooters?

If there was a solution to mass killlings don't you think it would be used in the M.E. and everywhere else?

It isn't the firearm, or even the bomb, it is the person.

[brien]

Quote by: Sonart . {{SLAPS FOREHEAD}} Of course, get tough on crime!! Now why didn't I think of that?? Oh wait, that's right... because we've already done that. In fact we've been doing it for years, and it's turned the U.S. into the new Gulag Archipelago, with the largest per capita prison population in the world. Here in California our prisons are so over-crowded we can't build them fast enough... or afford to keep building them. And yet we're STILL among the most violent nations on earth. Got a plan B, brien?? .

Better slap your forehead again there Sonart. The prisons are overcrowded with drug convicted criminals, not firearms related criminals. By far the single most crime that puts criminals in prison are drug related. Get real Sonart.

.Drug War Facts: Prisons, Jails and Probation – Overview

Prisons, Jails and Probation – Overview

The Department of Justice reported that at year-end 2003, federal prisons held a total of 158,426 inmates, of whom 86,972 (55%) were drug offenders. By comparison in 2000 federal prisons held 131,739 total inmates of whom 74,276 (56%) were drug offenders, and in 1995 federal prisons held a total of 88,658 inmates of whom 52,782 (60%) were drug offenders. Source: Harrison, Paige M. & Allen J. Beck, PhD, US Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, Prisoners in 2005 (Washington, DC: US Department of Justice, November 2006), p. 10, Table 14. State prisons held a total of 1,256,400 inmates on all charges at yearend 2003. "In absolute numbers an estimated 650,400 inmates in State prison at yearend 2003 (the latest available offense data) were held for violent offenses: 151,500 for murder, 176,600 for robbery, 124,200 for assault, and 148,800 for rape and other sexual assaults (table 12). In addition, 262,000 inmates were held for property offenses, 250,900 for drug offenses, and 86,400 for public-order offenses."

And just for good measure in this link below, you will see that 55% of prisoners are incarcerated for drug crimes. 72% are incarcerated for non violent crimes.
http://www.sentencingproject.org/Adm...lprisonpop.pdf


Keep slapping your forehead until you get it there Sonart. Drug related and non violent crimes overcrowd the prisons. The DOJ does not have a priority for dealing with firearms related crimes.


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[brien]

Remind me to give you a personal attack as soon as you screw up sometime how about?

Not a personal attack. It is merely reminding those of us who are here, how sometimes we contradict ourselves from thread to thread.

The pot jab I couldn't resist because you always write that it doesn't affect you in any negative ways. Perhaps you should reconsider your opinnion there Prax. I really don't care b/c I used to consume the weed myself, and yes, it did affect my short term memory.

I apologize if I was a bit rough on you.

[brien]

Gun advocates better enjoy their "constitutional right" while they can. I think it's inevitable that the ruling will eventually go against individual gun ownership.

So say you. I think the make up of the SC would say otherwise. But we will know by June.

[Praxius]

Quote by: brien How myopic of you. Just as I surmised, the world revolves around Praxius.

Never said it did, but if you wish to think so, thanks. Just decided to dish out the same mentality of which has been thrown my way.

You are finally beginning to understand now.

I always did understand it.... and it still sounds stupid.

[Praxius]

Quote by: brien You can't. Even if guns didn't exist, they would use bombs, as they do in the M.E. You are delusional if you think that by removing all firearms that these type of situations would never happen.

You keep screwing your entire point up with thinking I am all for banning firearms completely off the map when it comes to individuals.... get it through your damn head what I have been explaining.... there isn't even a total gun ban in Canada ffs, although most in the US still like to believe there is.

If there was a solution to mass killlings don't you think it would be used in the M.E. and everywhere else?

Not if everybody is completely clueless as to what is continually causing the problems and always focusing on all the wrong things to solve a limited understanding of motives.

It isn't the firearm, or even the bomb, it is the person.

Uh huh.... you made a baby step forward towards the solution.