Congress hands Bush first veto override

[Chancellor]

The Buffalo News: 24 Hour Breaking News: Congress hands Bush first veto override

"President Bush suffered the first veto override of his seven-year-old presidency Thursday as the Senate enacted a $23 billion water resources bill despite his protest that it was filled with unnecessary projects."




So, is this really a fight over unnecessary or "pork barrel" projects and getting spending under control or is it about something more - like sacrificing unconstitutional domestic projects for an unconstitutional war?

[Praxius]

Senate overrides Bush's water bill veto

Seems like we kinda raced one another on this one.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Praxius Senate overrides Bush's water bill veto Seems like we kinda raced one another on this one.

Looks that way but I think we are taking the debate in different directions.

[HelioPrime]

Whats unconstitutional about the bill?

Does the governnment NOT have the right to use income to fund projects on the state levels, something they should be doing themselves?

[Chancellor]

Quote by: HelioPrime Whats unconstitutional about the bill? Does the governnment NOT have the right to use income to fund projects on the state levels, something they should be doing themselves?

First of all, there is no constitutional authority for the federal government to fund local projects. Second, much of it was pork barrel spending, meaning pet projects that individual congresscritters wanted to push through to make it look like they were bringing some of the federal dollars back home.

[Praxius]

*shrugs* ~ We seem to be going somewhat in the same lines of the two different views on this..... but at least now if it goes in two different directions, there are two threads for it.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Chancellor So, is this really a fight over unnecessary or "pork barrel" projects and getting spending under control or is it about something more - like sacrificing unconstitutional domestic projects for an unconstitutional war?

I think you nailed it with the first shot.


Surely they don't expect us to believe that Bush is truly a fiscal conservative.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Chancellor First of all, there is no constitutional authority for the federal government to fund local projects. Second, much of it was pork barrel spending, meaning pet projects that individual congresscritters wanted to push through to make it look like they were bringing some of the federal dollars back home.

So then should be be for Bush on this issue, for the majority of the senate, or for removing them all from power

[Chancellor]

Quote by: HelioPrime So then should be be for Bush on this issue, for the majority of the senate, or for removing them all from power

I would go for removing them all from power.

[Osborn F Enready]

I second the motion to remove them all from power, in the name of ending the bi-partisan monopoly on power, which has made a mockery of the Constitution, and played with the lives, liberty and equal access to law for all people against the will of the people.

[Praxius]

hey woa, check it out! Three people in a row agree on something.... and one isn't even in the same country with similar ideologies either

[Apeman81]

The Congress would have worked to override a "Bush" veto of a bill that if passed would have made it legal to marry farm animals just to say they can do it.
Hoorah for the Congress and woe to people, whose pockets are being pilfered.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Apeman81 The Congress would have worked to override a "Bush" veto of a bill that if passed would have made it legal to marry farm animals just to say they can do it. Hoorah for the Congress and woe to people, whose pockets are being pilfered.

Would you rather them do nothing for reconstruction and redevelopment of those areas damaged by hurricanes and flooding over the last few years? because that's what's going on right now, as many in New Orleans seem pretty PO'd at the long time it is taking to get things done.

[Osborn F Enready]

Praxius said: Would you rather them do nothing for reconstruction and redevelopment of those areas damaged by hurricanes and flooding over the last few years? because that's what's going on right now, as many in New Orleans seem pretty PO'd at the long time it is taking to get things done.

Many people are wrong in expecting insurance to cover their bad decisions to build in bad areas. Many people are wrong in expecting government hand outs to breach the gap. Many people are wrong in expecting justice from a bi-partisan monopoly that has been traditionally hell-bent in over-riding, under-mining and circumventing our Constitutional rights, as citizens.

Many people are simply wrong in their understanding of the role of U.S. state and federal governments.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Many people are wrong in expecting insurance to cover their bad decisions to build in bad areas. Many people are wrong in expecting government hand outs to breach the gap. Many people are wrong in expecting justice from a bi-partisan monopoly that has been traditionally hell-bent in over-riding, under-mining and circumventing our Constitutional rights, as citizens. Many people are simply wrong in their understanding of the role of U.S. state and federal governments.

Then perhaps the government needs to be changed so that the understanding is right.

Either that or properly educate the public as to what the government should and shouldn't be doing. Which will probably end with more people pissed about the truth and then we're back to the first option.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I second the motion to remove them all from power, in the name of ending the bi-partisan monopoly on power, which has made a mockery of the Constitution, and played with the lives, liberty and equal access to law for all people against the will of the people.

And then I would push for a constitutional amendment outlawing political parties.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Praxius Would you rather them do nothing for reconstruction and redevelopment of those areas damaged by hurricanes and flooding over the last few years?

Actually, I would. I prefer that this kind of thing be handled by state and local governments with voluntary assistance from individuals, businesses and non-profit organizations.

because that's what's going on right now, as many in New Orleans seem pretty PO'd at the long time it is taking to get things done.

Considering that the mayor of "Chocolate City" (as he called it - keep in mind that he's one of the chocolate people he was referring to) was the one that left all those school buses parked instead of using them to evacuate people, I'm not feeling particularly benevolent toward New Orleans. If state and local governments want things done, they should do it themselves to the greatest extent possible.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: Praxius Would you rather them do nothing for reconstruction and redevelopment of those areas damaged by hurricanes and flooding over the last few years? because that's what's going on right now, as many in New Orleans seem pretty PO'd at the long time it is taking to get things done.

Look to the longstanding Louisianan political ineffectiveness and corruption for reasons why so little has been done in New Orleans.

[Nono]

Quote by: Buffalo News President Bush suffered the first veto override of his seven-year-old presidency Thursday ...

Rats disembarking from a burning ship.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Nono Rats disembarking from a burning ship.

Hehehe, well, how else are they to react when the Commander in Thief is an international burnt effigy model?