Eight killed in Finland school shooting: official

[Osborn F Enready]

I don't know Prax, I only know more gun laws would only hurt more legal citizens, and force more citizens to become illegal in their rightful quest for the ability to attain a competent defense.

Punishing law abiding people with more restrictions is not an answer for dealing with irresponsible people.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I don't know Prax, I only know more gun laws would only hurt more legal citizens, and force more citizens to become illegal in their rightful quest for the ability to attain a competent defense. Punishing law abiding people with more restrictions is not an answer for dealing with irresponsible people.

Apparently it is, lol:

BBC NEWS | Europe | Finland moves to tighten gun laws

Finland's government is planning to tighten gun laws after nine people were killed in a school shooting spree. Under the plan, minors would be banned from buying guns but would be allowed to use them under adult supervision. Currently, 15-year-olds can buy guns with parental permission. Finland has the world's third highest rate of gun ownership according to a recent survey. A student, 18, killed eight people and fatally wounded himself at his school in the town of Tuusula on Wednesday. The shooting shocked Finland, which has low levels of violent crime despite the high rate of gun ownership. According to the Small Arms Survey, based in Geneva, Switzerland, only the US and Yemen have more firearms per capita. Video warning Hunting and shooting are popular in Finland and the country has until now resisted pressure to bring its gun laws into line with the rest of Europe. "The cabinet is ready to agree on a proposal which says that those under 18 years old can use a gun only under parental or adult guidance," said cabinet spokeswoman Sanna Kangasharju. Pekka-Eric Auvinen opened fire in Jokela High School with his .22 calibre pistol on Wednesday as students were about to start their lunch break. Six students and two members of staff, including the female head teacher, were killed before Auvinen shot himself in the head. He was taken to hospital with critical injuries and died later. Police have found a suicide note he left where he explained his hatred towards society, police said. He also gave a warning of the shooting in a video posted on the internet. Police said Auvinen had apparently selected his victims at random but had been intent on causing maximum damage. Auvinen obtained the licence for his pistol on 19 October, police said.

[Osborn F Enready]

They may claim its an answer, and they may claim it will make a difference, but it is no answer, and it will make no difference, except inspiring more people to lash out at unjust authority, while innocent victims fall in the crossfire.

Idiocy.

[Suburbanite]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 Or to get laid. I'm totally serious. I'm really curious as to how many of these school shooters internationally were virgins. Not that virginity causes school shootings, but all of these seem to deal with some social outcast and usually they seem to deal with a girl (though perhaps not in this case).

I agree. Ladies, if you're reading this, give your local nerd a pity fuck, it could save a life.

[jose]

Once again we have an individual who was on perscription drugs , for mood control could there be a link?

[Praxius]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready They may claim its an answer, and they may claim it will make a difference, but it is no answer, and it will make no difference, except inspiring more people to lash out at unjust authority, while innocent victims fall in the crossfire. Idiocy.

And I disagree of course.... you claim gun control isn't the answer and it won't make any difference.... but when is any solution a perfect solution?

There are none..... therefore the only logical conclusion is to improve apon the system most agree with and try and make it work through time. If it screws up one thing, fix it.... if it is proven to be a total failure.... drop it.

But it hasn't been proven to be a total failure..... and a few cases here and there of violent crimes involving firearms isn't proof that it is a failure.

If it is... then what does that tell you of the US's current system where gun violence is completely rampant and out of control?

If gun control is a failure... then whatever system that is in place in the US is a catastrophe. Something is better then nothing.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: jose Once again we have an individual who was on perscription drugs , for mood control could there be a link?

Perhaps a correlation. Though I think the more significant causal link is that we have yet again, someone with severe mental illness committing a violent crime.

Also, just because someone is prescribed mood altering drugs does not mean they are necessarily taking them. Unless of course you have evidence that the specific drugs he was taking have been shown to more often than not cause mental illness rather than treat it. In which case that is a different issue altogether.

[Praxius]

Most kids who are going through school as outcasts are always depressed and gloom and doom.... I know I was as explained previously. But I was lucky enough not to get pumped with pills until last year (No longer on them)

Putting pills into a kid who's going through this kind of crap in school, isn't going to solve their problems.... they're gonna see this.... realize they are still an outcast, they are still made fun of, and now they're being given pills because something is wrong with them, while everybody else is just fine it would seem...... no wonder why they blow up.

People are too damn dependant on drugs to solve their problems of everyday life, rather then actually taking time to sit like a human and talk these things through with someone who actually gives a damn. Instead of seeing humanity, you see medication and further isolation in this mental state... if you see no humanity other then yourself, and nobody relates to you.... it is easy to loose compasion for your fellow human.

If you're in school, having a life like this, and getting to your limit, it is very difficult to see that things can get better once you're out of school. But during this time, you see this as nothing but your life, and this is all that is in store for you for the rest of your life..... so if you're depressed, and the pills arn't doing their thing, and life isn't getting any better.... why keep going?

Then it also crosses the mind... "Why should I just kill myself so these people can live a better life without me around?" ~ And you feel before you take your life, other's should feel some pain and suffering as you are in your head.

It's a very dangerous and volitile state of mind.... and from my own experience all that is needed is someone to listen to you and help you through the problems..... to give you a better outlook on life and how to get out of what you're going through now.

People need a helping hand, not pills to mask.

[ruksak]

My best friend damn near went bat sh*t when he was 17, after being prescribed Prozac. He went from depressed to violent and soon dropped out. Even punching his mother over a disagreement about what to have for dinner. The answer from his doctor; MORE PROZAC! He and his mother agreed that this was not the solution. He discontinued the drugs and got on a counseling program, went to night school and got his diploma and all was fine.

[Praxius]

Quote by: ruksak My best friend damn near went bat sh*t when he was 17, after being prescribed Prozac. He went from depressed to violent and soon dropped out. Even punching his mother over a disagreement about what to have for dinner. The answer from his doctor; MORE PROZAC! He and his mother agreed that this was not the solution. He discontinued the drugs and got on a counseling program, went to night school and got his diploma and all was fine.

I found through my own experiences if you can deal with your own demons, then you can deal with those around you, and medication just doesn't help... it just numbs.

About the Prozac..... I wasn't on that, I was on Celexa I think it was called. But our medical proceedures are that if they assign one anti-depressant and things don't work, or you become much worse as the above situation sounded.... then they are supposed to take you off them immediatly and try another brand.

My father went through several ones before they found the one that works for him. When they decided to put me on them during a pretty crappy year where everything kinda fell on top of ya.... they put me on the same stuff as my dad, due to the same genetics, therefore it was a good start.

but the doctor Px'ing more rather then to change to another brand is blaitent disregard for the patient's well being.

If it's getting better but not good enough, then you up it... but if the symptoms get worse after taking them.... the obvious thing to do it to either switch or discontinue.

That was the right decision I must say.