Probe finds Taser use on student was OK

[ruksak]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Doesn't say much for the police training, if they had to rely on the taser, outnumbering the guy 6 to 1.

What does it say if he grabs one of the officers guns? One of the most critical parts of police training when in a scrum; NEVER allow a suspect to continue moving his arms about when wrestling.

Watch the video, again. Where is his left arm?

Meyer is a big fella and was obviously enraged. Not like we're talking about a 100 pound weakling. Your armchair observations neglect how difficult it is to subdue a combatant suspect.

Quote by: brien the video clearly shows several officers standing over this guy who is lying on the floor, flat out.

Then why is his left arm pulled free and flailing, his right arm tucked underneath his body defiantly and his stomach raised off the ground while his head is turned, looking backward while he's shouting? Flat-out lying on the floor? Not hardly.

[xyzer]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready The cops could have cuffed the kid, without a taser. The use of the Taser was simply unnecessary

Emphatically disagree! There has to be respect for minions of the law in a country largely run by a rule of law. Senator Kerrys right to respond or not to a questioner should also be respected as should the rightsd of the attendees to an orderly discusiioon and answer period?. This guy didn't respect anybodys riight but his own?

The incident was there for all of us to view. This(loudmouthed) jerk was out of control and would not shut up or desist in his protests. What if all hundreds of the spectators got up and acted the same way? Would you who countenance his deliberate and presistent resistance to authority say that was OK too? I doubt it, particularly if you were a spectator trampled in the melee?

Some seem to think that a Taser was not the right control device but just think what would have been another alternative...hitting him in the gut with the end of a night stick or smacking him across the mouth, or even several cops forcibly throwing him on the ground and restraining him? He wouuld then have won and got even more attention than he deserved.

We are coming to a foolish point in our society? Bad actors(no pun intended) are being rationalized as right and those that seek to prevent us from the product of these selfish and oftern dangerous actions are being condemned? What kind of priority is that?

[Osborn F Enready]

I have said what I have to say, and my mind has been made up.

We can agree to disagree, but, I hope your kids get tasered soon, or maybe yourself or your grandparents, or grandkids, so you can enjoy the fun too.

Ta!

[ruksak]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I have said what I have to say, and my mind has been made up. We can agree to disagree, but, I hope your kids get tasered soon, or maybe yourself or your grandparents, or grandkids, so you can enjoy the fun too. Ta!

Shiiiiiiiiiiit! If my kid gets herself tased while fighting the cops and comes to me crying about it, ima smack her on the head and ask her if she learned anything.

[Osborn F Enready]

Great to see you think so much of civil discourse and protest ruksak.....

Lets be thankful the forefathers weren't such sheep, nor were the blacks who fought for equality, nor was Nelson Mandella..,... or as some, maybe not be so thankful.

Would you have been cheering if it were Mandella getting tasered?
Martin Luther King?
George Washinton?

Each to his own I guess.

I have stated my points and opinion, and stand behind them.

[ruksak]

Quote by: Osborn Great to see you think so much of civil discourse and protest ruksak.....

There is a time and a place for everything.

Would you have been cheering if it were Mandella getting tasered?

Martin Luther King?

George Washington?

Famous quote from George Washington; "Thou hast to please not tasereth thee, brother"..........no, not likely.


I don't remember these men screaming and hollering and acting like loons. No one takes an idiot seriously.

[Sweet Katie]

Quote by: Autolykos Probe finds Taser use on student was OK - Yahoo! News Quite simply, the state guidelines should be called into question. It's interesting how such findings are intended to placate people who protest such actions. Basically the authorities in question respond by saying what was done was, in fact, legitimate. Since the protesters rarely question the authorities themselves, they accept this dictum and move on. Update: Apparently, the officers' own department performed the investigation. Should it be any surprise that, effectively speaking, they would declare themselves innocent? :rolleyes: - Rob

Agree with the outcome.

Disagree with the method used to obtain it.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: ruksak Meyer is a big fella and was obviously enraged

Enraged??
Bullshit.
He was baffled.... and rightfully so.

The pigs should have left him alone to begin with. If he was breaking the law by asking an inconvenient question (after setting it up with a statement), then the pigs should have cited the law he was breaking.... then Mr Meyer could be a law abiding citizen and sat down.
He didnt break any laws so the fascist pigs were out of line.

He was not given the benefit of the doubt. He was presumed guilty, .... without a legal defense, and was brutally tortured with malice aforethought. The pigs are not legal agents to execute punishment on decent citizens like Mr Meyer.

We all have a duty to take courage and hold tyrants accountable. We need all the Meyer's of the world to ask those serious questions that the media has FAILED to ask.

Quote by: Ella Wheeler Wilcox To sin by silence when we should protest, makes cowards out of men. more...

Bad pigs. No donut!

[ruksak]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Enraged?? Bullshit. He was baffled.... and rightfully so. The pigs should have left him alone to begin with. If he was breaking the law by asking an inconvenient question (after setting it up with a statement), then the pigs should have cited the law he was breaking.... then Mr Meyer could be a law abiding citizen and sat down. He didnt break any laws so the fascist pigs were out of line. He was not given the benefit of the doubt. He was presumed guilty, .... without a legal defense, and was brutally tortured with malice aforethought. The pigs are not legal agents to execute punishment on decent citizens like Mr Meyer. We all have a duty to take courage and hold tyrants accountable. We need all the Meyer's of the world to ask those serious questions that the media has FAILED to ask. Bad pigs. No donut!

Would it break your heart if I told you I found your post to be pure comedy? I don't mean that as a flame. I honestly find your use of terminology such as "pigs, tyrants, fascist pigs" to be quite humorous.

I find it bizarre how differently people can view the same few minutes of footage.

I see a loudmouth idiot yelling question after question in a disruptive and disrespectful manner.

You see a man "asking an inconvenient question (after setting it up with a statement)".

If he had spoken in a calm and decent manner, he would have gotten his answer. Alas, he screamed and yelled and distracted from the point he was trying to make.


No one listens to a jerk.

He didnt break any laws

Oh really? Its illegal to disregard the instructions of a police officer. Its illegal to resist arrest.

Do you want to stand by your previous assessment? Or change it?

[xyzer]

gr8...

He was not given the benefit of the doubt. He was presumed guilty, .... without a legal defense, and was brutally tortured with malice aforethought. The pigs are not legal agents to execute punishment on decent citizens like Mr Meyer.

You'd make a good juror at a murder trial?

Wow? As a cop, when witnessing a violent or disruptive act we should let the perp beat the crap out of his victim or shut the speaker up and then after he has completed the act apprehend him? If he resists you then gently lead him away? Unreal? I don't want you on my police force or in my army?

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Enraged?? Bullshit. He was baffled.... and rightfully so. The pigs should have left him alone to begin with. If he was breaking the law by asking an inconvenient question (after setting it up with a statement), then the pigs should have cited the law he was breaking.... then Mr Meyer could be a law abiding citizen and sat down. He didnt break any laws so the fascist pigs were out of line. He was not given the benefit of the doubt. He was presumed guilty, .... without a legal defense, and was brutally tortured with malice aforethought. The pigs are not legal agents to execute punishment on decent citizens like Mr Meyer. We all have a duty to take courage and hold tyrants accountable. We need all the Meyer's of the world to ask those serious questions that the media has FAILED to ask. Bad pigs. No donut!

Name calling gets rather lame after grade school. Bad or overused name calling is always lame.

[Suburbanite]

Quote by: tinybear Guidelines are dead. People are alive and dealing with live situations.

I agree, people need to stop appealing to random truths. Oh the laws says I can do that, or that cop says I cant, or this teacher says that. Stop. Get a brain. Why did those cops deal with the situation so poorly. If I was a cop, I'm certain I'd be able to get him to leave without even touching him.

Quote by: ruksak I take this as a concession that he was treated justly for his semi-violent uproar. Don't tase me bro? No Don't fight the cops.........bro.

Well, no one told him he was under arrest, and if you watch the video he is grabbed without any serious attempts to first talk with him.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Suburbanite If I was a cop, I'm certain I'd be able to get him to leave without even touching him. Well, no one told him he was under arrest, and if you watch the video he is grabbed without any serious attempts to first talk with him.

I agree with you on both points. Also, Meyer was not being nearly as disruptive or as "riotous" as the police suggested.

Grandpa h.

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: ruksak Its illegal to disregard the instructions of a police officer.

Oh really? Could you please cite the law that gives a police officer such authority?

These cops went beyond the point of enforcing the law, they were in fact administering punishment.

[ruksak]

Quote by: Zeebeedee Oh really? Could you please cite the law that gives a police officer such authority?

You have got to be kidding me right? You don't know this? Next time you're getting pulled over, go ahead and don't. See what happens. Then get back with me.

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: ruksak You have got to be kidding me right? You don't know this? Next time you're getting pulled over, go ahead and don't. See what happens. Then get back with me.

I think you've misquoted me.

[ruksak]

Quote by: Zeebadee I think you've misquoted me.

Yep. Don't know how that happened.

Its fixed.

[Suburbanite]

It is not illegal to disregard a request made by a cop. It is all about first ascertaining probable cause, then the cop gets free reign. Ask any cop about it, they can't search you or your car without probable cause. They can't enter your home, hold you for questioning, or arrest you. Thats why you can deny a police officer entrance into your home if he doesn't have a warrant (disregarding cop's instructions).
Most importantly, probable cause does not include asking a question fervently, so these cops exceeded their limits.

[ruksak]

Quote by: Suburbanite It is not illegal to disregard a request made by a cop. It is all about first ascertaining probable cause, then the cop gets free reign. Ask any cop about it, they can't search you or your car without probable cause. They can't enter your home, hold you for questioning, or arrest you. Thats why you can deny a police officer entrance into your home if he doesn't have a warrant (disregarding cop's instructions). Most importantly, probable cause does not include asking a question fervently, so these cops exceeded their limits.

They weren't trying to conduct a search and seizure. They asked him to come with them, an instruction, he disobeyed. That's illegal. They do not need probable cause to ask you to leave private property upon request.

I don't know why you're talking about search and seizure laws. They do not apply in this case.

[Zeebadee]

You made a very broad statement, "Its illegal to disregard the instructions of a police officer."

The point is, that in many cases in ISN'T illegal to ignore the requests of a police officer.