Register (it's free)
Volconvo Debate Forums
Advertise Here »
Browse ad-free by donating
The Debate Forums Blogs | Donate Register (it's free) Chatroom Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read  
  Volconvo / Debate Forums / Breaking News


This topic in Breaking News is about Rice: Israel, Palestinians making 'most serious' peace effort.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old Oct 15, 2007, 12:24 pm   #1 (permalink) (top)
butterbut
UCFKnight
 
butterbut's Avatar
 
Location: UCF
Posts: 211
Rice: Israel, Palestinians making 'most serious' peace effort

Rice: Israel, Palestinians making 'most serious' peace effort - CNN.comHome.
Quote:
"Frankly, it's time for the establishment of a Palestinian state," Rice said.
Will establishing a Palestinian state help our image in the Middle East?

I think long term a Palestinian state could become a terrorist hotbed. They would just be another Syria, or Iran. However, I don't really see an alternative.


"Moral courage is the most valuable and usually the most absent characteristic in men."
- General George S. Patton, Jr
butterbut is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Oct 15, 2007, 12:42 pm   #2 (permalink) (top)
Thanatos
Arbiter of Weird
 
Thanatos's Avatar
 
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 1,744
Establishing a Palestinian state would make us look better, but it would be much better if America could talk the Israelis and the Palestinians into sharing fairly.

By drawing a national boundary between them all one would really accomplish is changing a civil war into a war between nations. The simple fact is that both sides want the other's cities and land and simply drawing lines will almost certainly not help.

Also, because the Israelis and the Palestinians do not neatly occupy their own separate areas even more people will be displaced by the effort to partition the nation. Bush will look good if he can do this, but its just going to dig a deeper hole.


Destroying America one Volconvo post at a time.

The brain is like a muscle. When it is in use we feel very good. Understanding is joyous.
Thanatos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Oct 15, 2007, 01:05 pm   #3 (permalink) (top)
grandpa
blasphemer
 
grandpa's Avatar
 
Location: Michigan
Posts: 8,344
Quote:
Quote by: Thanatos View Post
Establishing a Palestinian state would make us look better, but
it would be much better if America could talk the
Israelis and the Palestinians into sharing fairly.
By drawing a national boundary between them all one would
really accomplish is changing a civil war into a war
between nations.
Until the Middle East is transformed into a truly secular, nonhierarchical section of the world, we'll probably see these conflicts continue. The solution does not lie in a Palestinian state or an Israeli one, but in ending the power struggles, ideologies and authoritarian alliances making them occur. Obviously, this might entail challenging all states in the region, and their "rights" to exist.
The "War on Terror" is a failure in this regard.

There can be no true harmony between nations, because nations exist.

Grandpa h.


"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
atrocities." ~Voltaire
grandpa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Oct 15, 2007, 01:24 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul
Volcanic Erupter
 
Posts: 8,922
Moreover, it would be Rice who should get the full credit if anyone does, not President Bush.

It would also demonstrate that the Islamic countries can respect female leadership in matters of forien policy.

It would depend a lot on what "conditions" Rice might wish to toss into the mix, if those conditions favor Israel too much then America gains nothing relative to our image for being fair and not just pro-Israel.

If some agreement is established then that would might mean that the Islamic radicals cannot use our support for Israel as justification for terrorism. This means that any terrorists that do not want our image to improve would blow something up in Israel to cause Israel to break the peace treaty. So Israel would also need patience. And the Palestinian people would need to see signs for a hopeful recovery from poverty which was partly dependant on jobs in Israel in the past.
Technosoul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Oct 15, 2007, 01:40 pm   #5 (permalink) (top)
grandpa
blasphemer
 
grandpa's Avatar
 
Location: Michigan
Posts: 8,344
Quote:
Quote by: Technosoul View Post
Moreover, it would be Rice who should get the full
credit if anyone does, not President Bush.
It would also demonstrate that the Islamic countries can respect
female leadership in matters of forien policy.
President Bush's policies have been adding to the general mistrust, so I doubt many will respect any US leadership very much, regardless of sex.

Grandpa h.


"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
atrocities." ~Voltaire
grandpa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Oct 15, 2007, 01:41 pm   #6 (permalink) (top)
notworthabean
libertarian neocon
 
Location: north east
Posts: 630
Quote:
Quote by: butterbut View Post
Rice: Israel, Palestinians making 'most serious' peace effort - CNN.comHome.


Will establishing a Palestinian state help our image in the Middle East?

I think long term a Palestinian state could become a terrorist hotbed. They would just be another Syria, or Iran. However, I don't really see an alternative.
I agree that Israel can't give Palestisnisn their own state right away. That wont give israel the peace they think it will.
notworthabean is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:09 pm.

Sponsors (become a sponsor)
Online Gambling, Double Glazing UK, Free Online Games, xango, UK Car Insurance, Beauty Salon, Coach Handbags, Miele Vacuums, Plus Size Bras, Horses for Sale, Ventrilo Server, liquid vitamins, weight loss, Smiley Central, Monetise your website, Ventrilo Server, Dyson Vacuums, Hydroponics & Grow Lights, Offshore banking, beauty salons, Offshore banking, Connecticut Electric Rate, Retail Electric Providers Cirro Energy, LasVegas Vacations, Web Design, homes in hudson, Affordable Web Hosting, Texas Electric Rate Cirro Energy, Security Audit, Guy Factor, Gun Forums, Credit Reports Debt Debt Free Credit Report Pulse Media One Marketing
Powered by vBulletin Version 3.7.3 Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.0.0

© 2003–2008 Volconvo.com

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10