Florida Student Tasered and Arrested at John Kerry Forum

[LadiesMan217]

A student was arrested and tasered at a John Kerry forum after he angrily asked Kerry some tough questions. Here is a link to the article and a link to the actual video on the incident.
FOXNews.com - Florida College Student Who Was Tasered, Arrested at John Kerry Campus Forum Is Released From Jail - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News
YouTube - University Of Florida Student Tasered At John Kerry Speech
What do you guys think of this? Did he get what was coming to him or were his rights violated?

[Chaossaber314]

Student at a Kerry event is Tasered:

Good job keeping your opening post objective though. Don't see much of that anymore.

[Suburbanite]

Of course his rights were violated. Kerry isn't president, or even a candidate, he's useless why should society value a lame duck over a promising and intelligent kid from the univ of florida? Disgusting, I think the people who tasered him should stand trial, and Kerry as an accomplice to the crime of assault and battery.

[Suburbanite]

sickening

[tinybear]

I saw the incident on TV. The police overreacted. They could easily have overpowered him without the taser. One officer even pulled out his gun, which was quite unnecessary under the circumstances.

Actually, I heard that Kerry said he was prepared to answer the guy's questions, but the cops went ahead and arrested him anyway.

[Suburbanite]

Yeah, I just watched some extended version on youtube, at least some girl screamed at the cops for torturing the kid.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Suburbanite Yeah, I just watched some extended version on youtube, at least some girl screamed at the cops for torturing the kid.

Of course, some people say "he shouldn't have resisted arrest," but it was an unjust arrest. Anyone with a brain can see that, and understand why this guy resisted.
The cops said he was trying to "incite a riot," of all things by asking some questions. They tried to portray the guy as an absolute nutcase for reasonable questions about conceding the election amidst voter fraud allegations and the Skull & Bones. This was followed, of course, by perfectly rational questions like "what did I do?" and "can I have my book back?" But, sure, this guy was crazy--an absolute raving nutcase.

Then he was supposedly "whining," which is now apparently unexpected after someone gets tasered and arrested for no good reason.
If that's not enough, some people were applauding the guy's arrest.

But, we can find solace in the fact that "The hysterical redhead" in the extended video "has got big titties," as emphasized by a Youtube commentator.

Grandpa h.

[grandpa]

Quote by: tinybear I saw the incident on TV. The police overreacted. They could easily have overpowered him without the taser.

They shouldn't have "overpowered" him at all. He did nothing wrong.

Grandpa h.

[tinybear]

Quote by: grandpa They shouldn't have "overpowered" him at all. He did nothing wrong. Grandpa h.

Well, he did break the forum's rules. The organisers had the right to demand that he leave the room. Upon his refusal to do so, they could have used reasonable force to evict him.

[grandpa]

Quote by: tinybear Well, he did break the forum's rules. The organisers had the right to demand that he leave the room.

He was not truly at fault for anything.

here is what happened (part one):
YouTube - UF Student Tased by Univ of Florida Police

Clearly, he didn't threaten Kerry.
Yes, speakers may be rudely interrupted (which wasn't even the case here), but you don't just start attacking someone (unless you're a cop, apparently).
They could have simply told him to shorten his question or that he was being unfair, or to calm down.

But oh no, they just crowded him and started sweeping him away like so much dust under the rug. Then people act surprised when the guy resists arrest. That's how tyranny works. The victim becomes the offender.

(Part two)
YouTube - UF Student Tased by Univ of Florida Police Part 2

Here is how one Youtube commentator reacted:

"This guy got what was coming to him.His first amendment rights were not violated.He wasn't arrested for speaking,he was arrest for disrupting a lawful assembly.The cops had all the grounds they needed to make an arrest.He was tazed because he was violent,and was disobeying a lawful order from a police officer.The cops gave him more then enough chances to calm down and he did not.Why should the police have to put them selves in harms way."

Yes, no rights were being violated. None whatsoever. This argument might refute itself, but enough people buy it.

Another response from a Youtube poster:

"Where does this guy [the victim] live?
The extreme wussitude expressed in his lame whining has triggered a primal need in myself to hear his cries again and again.
This jones should be satisfied in person so.......if anybody knows where he lives, please help me feed my jones."

Notice how, miraculously, someone is simply a "wuss" for crying out when they are getting tasered. Even more, I wonder how resisting unjust arrest makes someone a "wuss" in any conventional sense, or how the cops weren't "wusses" for outnumbering and overtaking someone who wasn't even physically attacking anybody.

Another person commented:

"Got what he deserved. You act like an a-hole you get treated like one. Cops rock. I always like how tough people are until they get tazed."

Yes, you ask hard questions and get assaulted because "cops rock."

Another post made fun of him for saying "Don't tase me, bro." Then, of course, we can laugh at how paranoid he sounds by saying he'd like to be accompanied so the cops don't kill him. That too must be absolutely crazy:

YouTube - UF Student Tased by Univ of Florida Police Part 3

The stupidity is endless, and it's ultimately what you are supporting, Tiny.

Grandpa h.

[tinybear]

I'm supporting nothing of the sort. As I said, the force used on him was far from reasonable. All they needed to do was to shut the microphone (which they did) and ask him to leave. The organisers were the host of that event. He was an invitee whose invitation could have been (and was) terminated. At that point he became a trespasser. Trespassers who refuse to leave may be evicted with reasonable force.

Unfortunately, the police used excessive force. Another point was the organisers should have exercised a little discretion given the fact that Kerry said he was willing to deal with his questions; so even though the organisers had the right to evict him, they should have exercised their discretion not to.

[grandpa]

Quote by: tinybear I'm supporting nothing of the sort. As I said, the force used on him was far from reasonable.

At least we agree on some basic level.

But I don't recall him being "uninvited," or doing anything severe or wrong whatsoever.
You don't just instantly transform someone into a criminal for participating in a Q&A session (unless you want a police state, of course). He had no way whatsoever of knowing he was trespassing or doing anything wrong. No reasonable person would have assumed that, given it was a Q&A session. This is especially true when he didn't even threaten anyone.

It's even sketchy to say the guy was resisting arrest. He was clearly being handled roughly, and reacted as any number of people would react (including me, though I'd be called a "wuss" for it by Youtube geniuses, of course).

In fact, he reasonably asked them 'what have I done?' and they responded with something about "inciting a riot." Well, that's what the police were doing! They were the ones acting in a way appropriate for causing riots.

Things like this obviously explain why some people hate cops.

Grandpa h.

[LadiesMan217]

I agree that this was outrageous that the kid was arrested. What was the point of arresting him? He asked all his questions so why arrest him? I think it is a very frightening display of where our rights of freedom of speech are headed. What is wrong with putting a politician on the spot with the tough questions? I, for one, am sick all the bs questions that they get asked. I do not particularly agree with the students views but I admire him for asking questions that no one else would ask. But the guy did not exactly have the best bedside manner and would love to see what would have happened if he would have asked his questions in polite and calm manner.

[Jubloz]

Quote by: Suburbanite Of course his rights were violated. Kerry isn't president, or even a candidate, he's useless why should society value a lame duck over a promising and intelligent kid from the univ of florida? Disgusting, I think the people who tasered him should stand trial, and Kerry as an accomplice to the crime of assault and battery.

Erm? Maybe I just misheard, but I could've sworn I heard Kerry say to the cops, "wait, I'll answer the question." I love how everyone is trying to use this to support their political agendas. I'm so tired of American politics. :rolleyes:

[grandpa]

Quote by: Jubloz Erm? Maybe I just misheard, but I could've sworn I heard Kerry say to the cops, "wait, I'll answer the question."

That's what I thought I heard as well. And the "tased" guy wasn't even being as crazy and unruly as some are making him out to be. He acted the way any number of concerned, alarmed people would act.

Some are also pushing the "15 minutes of fame argument," which is another classic cop-out.

Oh, and it just ocurred to me that the "why should the police have puit themselves in harms way" argument does refute itself. They indeed didn't have to put themselves in harm's way.

Grandpa h.

[Jubloz]

Having watched the video, I do think the kid was attempting to get some attention when the cops tried to escort him, but imo he had every right to, his freedom of speech was being taken from him. I don't think he was expecting the cops to get that heated, though. Damn, they should've backed off and let Kerry answer the damn question instead dragging the kid to the ground and tasing him, because apparently 5 people isn't enough to handle a kid*.




*sarcasm.

[Clarence]

the dude is a flake. The cops were unprofessional. Kerry is a douche.

We don't need Kerry to confirm his membership in this secret club for us anyways. It's true. Even if the guy's questions were pointed towards a bi-partisan conspiracy involving the election, in effect the question of conspiracy is irrelevent when considering the actual fruits of our bi-partisan monopoly. You got essentially the same groups and types of people doing battle over our heads at our expense. Then there's the possibility (and in Kerry's case the likelyhood) of collusion between two parties supposedly attempting be represent voters and serve the public in general. If they've dishonestly worked together to subvert our system of gov't, that's awfull. Even if only in effect.

but yeah the kids a flake. Who the fuck cares about John Kerry enough to go see him anyhow?

[Suburbanite]

Quote by: tinybear Well, he did break the forum's rules. The organisers had the right to demand that he leave the room. Upon his refusal to do so, they could have used reasonable force to evict him.

no, he didnt violate rules, he just asked a question. watch the video.

[Suburbanite]

Quote by: Jubloz Erm? Maybe I just misheard, but I could've sworn I heard Kerry say to the cops, "wait, I'll answer the question." I love how everyone is trying to use this to support their political agendas. I'm so tired of American politics. :rolleyes:

I don't have a political agenda, though. I'm just a loud mouth who likes his right to be such. Yeah, so i heard Kerry say he wanted to answer the question, i posted that b4 hearing him when i saw it.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Suburbanite I don't have a political agenda, though. I'm just a loud mouth who likes his right to be such.

At least someone agrees with me here. He was merely asking questions. And he went over the time limit (hardly even in a highly unruly manner).

Grandpa h.