Plot Would Have Killed Thousands

Plot Would Have Killed Thousands

EXCLUSIVE: Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff Offers Chilling Details About 2006 Airplane Plot and Current Terror Threats

I no longer believe a word these guys say. Check out the video.

And consider this story. Mass murder in the skies: was the plot feasible?

So comments from Chertoff, and a video of a Sandia National Lab's sign (a lab that lives of government contracts), claims about an experiment, and an explosion, and that's proof we can trust? I think not. And, ABC news covers it without any skepticism or critical analysis at all. Anonymous "Sources tell ABC news..."

This is pure propaganda and, once again, the mainstream news is not doing the job it claims it is supposed to be doing.

Regards
S.

[jose]

Once the plane is over the ocean, very discreetly bring all of your gear into the toilet. You might need to make several trips to avoid drawing attention. Once your kit is in place, put a beaker containing the peroxide / acetone mixture into the ice water bath (Champagne bucket), and start adding the acid, drop by drop, while stirring constantly. Watch the reaction temperature carefully. The mixture will heat, and if it gets too hot, you'll end up with a weak explosive. In fact, if it gets really hot, you'll get a premature explosion possibly sufficient to kill you, but probably no one else. After a few hours - assuming, by some miracle, that the fumes haven't overcome you or alerted passengers or the flight crew to your activities - you'll have a quantity of TATP with which to carry out your mission. Now all you need to do is dry it for an hour or two.

Mass murder in the skies: was the plot feasible? | The Register

[Mr.Vicchio]

Yeah, it's all lies, these guys wouldn't try something like this... just power plays by a corrupt government!!!!!

Bush didn't do enough before 9/11, now nothing his admin does is right, it's too much! it's lies!!! it's... whatever you need to say to make him and them look bad.

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Yeah, it's all lies, these guys wouldn't try something like this... just power plays by a corrupt government!!!!!

Well it appears we finally agree on something.

Regards
S.

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio ... whatever you need to say to make him and them look bad.

The truth makes him look bad enough, nobody has to embellish any story or report.

[Nono]

Quote by: Vicchio Yeah, it's all lies, these guys wouldn't try something like this... just power plays by a corrupt government!!!!!

It would seem to me elementary to read the link (which jose posted last year) before pronouncing on it.

But that ain't Vicchio's style. He truly believes that Islamo-crazies would attempt this, despite the near-impossibility.

It follows that them terrrists are a bunch of bungling incompetents.

And that fact must be mighty reassuring, right Vic? I mean, if we're dealing with idiots here, why all the worry and bother?

[Gods_Mercenary]

Well, some are bumbling incompetents, this one sounds like a guy was wondering how to bring chemistry into terrorism I doubt it got off the drawing board and maybe The Homeland Security guys are embellishing it.

Who here thinks Chertoff is the creepiest looking man you have ever seen?

[Punkbuster]

While in no way will I believe everything the the "government" (us?) tell us at some point however they (us) will tell the truth. However if this isn't the truth it really doesn't matter- what is the truth is that these Islamo crazies have stated over and over again their intentions to kill us and it was LONG before Bush (the first WTC attack didn't have anything to do with Bush, the training camps in Afganny had nothing to do with Bush etc etc... SO like it or not we have to deal with these people. Question are we at "war" or not? Over 90% of the worlds shooting wars at this time involve Muslims on at least one side (sometimes it is them against each other) How many know that Al-Quieda recently issued a Fatwa against India so it is not just us they want to bomb back to the stone age.

How can you people constantly harp on Bush (even though I am in total disagreement with him on many issues) when tens of millions protest worldwide and many kill EACH OTHER during same against newspaper cartoons?

Wake up goof balls- The original "official" Fatwa 1998 BB (Before Bush)

World Islamic Front Statement Urging Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders

And in Arabic just in case you think that Bush made this up too-

Fatwa / World Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders

Wars as of 2000- needs to be updated but some of these are no longer "wars" strip away Rwanda and some of the others that are "over" and you will see that Muslims are simply a war mongering people. And remember the 12 imam cant show up until Israel is gone ROFLMAO at these crazy Mofos

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[Nono]

Quote by: PB How can you people constantly harp on Bush?

Well now Buster, we don't constantly harp on the murderous little twerp. But discredit where discredit is due.

After all, unlike your average jihadi, Boy George has his finger on a button that unleashes (frequently on innocents) the sort of shitstorm the jihadis could only dream of.

Also, Bush has done everything he possibly could to strenghten the jihadis' hand -- in Iraq, in Afghanistan, etc. He's the best friend they ever had.

So the bugger comes in for a roasting on this board. Simple.

[thx1138]

Muslims are simply a war mongering people

Speaking of war mongering people here is a list you might like to look at..
List of United States military history events - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is a pretty long list... now who is the war maongering people again?

[Gods_Mercenary]

That's a funny statement, and Moslems are not a people, they are a religion, you talk about them as if they are a nation. Pretty much any group of people is war mongering at one point.

[xyzer]

Punkbuster speaks, from right end of body, with straight tongue!

We are in a war! A war against avowed terrorists rationalizing their murderous efforts under the ageis of the Muslim Holy Book..the Koran!
Mercenanry... thats what unites and supports the terrorist cause..a common religion. Why else are the political and religious leaders of most Islamic nations so reticent in suppressing the terrorist movements and its supporters in their nations?
I wonder why we have the need for a Department of Homeland Security if there is no threat to us here in our own homeland? It has nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. Its to protect us all including some of the doubters on this thread.

Thats why this comment by nono is crazy..

Also, Bush has done everything he possibly could to strenghten the jihadis' hand -- in Iraq, in Afghanistan, etc. He's the best friend they ever had.

Bush didn't pull the Clinton tactic of shooting a few missiles and then turning back to his knee padded paramour for service? Some say Nero Fiddled while Rome burned..Some can also say Clinton diddled while terrorism grew!

Bush punished the Al Qaida governent in Afghanistan and deposed it. Bush deposed a murderous agitator(Saddam) in the oil rich middle east rather than chasing chicks and lying about things..pardoning wanted felons and the like! Bush has presented a strong stand against international terrorism rather that screwing around? Yet he is criticised as imposing on our civil rights? Being to aggressive in his efforts to counter terrorism and the development of nuclear weappons by rogue states including one at least(Iran) that sponsors internaional terrorism!!!

To posit that if we hadn't struck back the jihadists wouldn't have continued their attacks on us is sure nonsense IMNSHO. Thats where the indirect consequences argument rears it illogical head! Some call it moral equivilance and try their damndest to equate head choppings and the bombing of innocents. with efforts to counter terrorist acts? Balderdash and nonsense!!!

[thx1138]

To posit that if we hadn't struck back the jihadists wouldn't have continued their attacks on us is sure nonsense IMNSHO. Thats where the indirect consequences argument rears it illogical head!

Wow this guy has a bad case of brain washing. This is what happens when you watch Fox News and listen to Rush.

[xyzer]

Its all a matter of opinion thx?
If you and your ilk didn;t watch MSNBC and CNN plus the morning shows your opinions might not be so laced with pc rot and imaginative thinking?If you didn't turn a blind eye to other opinions than those of the Democrat political aspirants the truth might blind you? Or at any rate show you that there are other just as valid opinions as yours?

I'm sure experts on foreign policy like two freshmena senators, Hillary Clinton and Obama have a large staff of foreign policy experts to tap plus experience? Pelosi even went on a foreign policy mission that transcended her constitutional authority?.I'm sure the words and promises spewed by experts like these and Paul and Edwards are valid and achievable...Health care for all, but at what cost? Easy solutions to the problem of international terror but what specifically are they? Quick termination of the Iraq venture but at what cost and what is that in specific terms??

Like most on the left you speak in "glitter'ing generalities" that can be interpreted anyway you want them to be? Here is a good example.."Bush lied people died".
Do you think Clintons apathy to terrorism over 8 years helped or hindered the terrorist cause? I read here and elsewhere in the leftist world that 9/11 was Bush's fault! The corporate corruption(Enron) exposed in the first year of his presidency was his fault??? Neither are logical or even possible. The corruption occurred in the 1990s and was exposed after he took office? The terrorist acts leading up to 9/11(5 months after he took office) were ignored by his predecessor. There was no homeland security effort or even peparations, was there??

Do you think there is a moral equivilence to destroying 3000+ innocent men, women and children and us advocating the Shah of Iran over Ayotallah Komeni or furnish Saddam with helocopters in the 80s? Or are you who deal in simplistic misinterpretations of events living in a liberal world of rigid illogical subjectivity??

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: xyzer Mercenanry... thats what unites and supports the terrorist cause..a common religion.

You're absolutely correct. That's exactly what Blackwater and firms like it are doing.

"Privatized corporate military operations now draw an estimated $100 billion in business worldwide each year -- much of it going to top U.S. corporations like Halliburton, DynCorp, Lockheed Martin, Grumman, and Raytheon. The military-industrial companies that once just created the guns and warplanes now provide mercenary forces for "privately" carrying out the military attacks and defoliation-- especially in Colombia where large numbers of "contractors" serve as agents and trainers for the U.S government.

Over 15,000 military "contractors" are now stationed in Iraq, working for dozens of companies--a force larger than the British contingent in the war zone.
<snip>

Such "contract" soldiers have had a free hand in threatening and killing Iraqi people. A former Special Forces member documented ( Washington Times , October 6, 2003) that military contractors guarding ministries on behalf of coalition authorities repeatedly killed Iraqis--without punishment or inquiry."
After Fallujah: The Truth About the Blackwater Mercenaries --RW/OR ONLINE

Quote by: xyzer Why else are the political and religious leaders of most Islamic nations so reticent in suppressing the terrorist movements and its supporters in their nations?

And why are the religious leaders in America so reticent about suppressing the immoral actions of the bush administration? When are our own religious leaders going to speak out against the abuses of Guantanamo and the practice of rendition? When are our churches going to become vocal about the abuses and violations of our own Constitution?

[Punkbuster]

THX- why is it that throughout the past 100 years the USA has been BEGGED to enter most wars by those getting their heads handed to them? WWI, WWII, Cold war in Europe to hold back the Russians, Vietnam (French and the South Vietnamese) , and right up to Kosovo- Clinton was vilified for NOT stepping into the Hutu Tutsi CW in Rwanda. If it was OK for us to give the all clear to bomb the hell out of Kosovo (and we are still there under the UN but of course it was the USA that had to step in). Maybe we should have stayed out of all of those wars and the world would be a better place.

[Punkbuster]

Quote by: Nono Well now Buster, we don't constantly harp on the murderous little twerp. But discredit where discredit is due. After all, unlike your average jihadi, Boy George has his finger on a button that unleashes (frequently on innocents) the sort of shitstorm the jihadis could only dream of. Also, Bush has done everything he possibly could to strenghten the jihadis' hand -- in Iraq, in Afghanistan, etc. He's the best friend they ever had. So the bugger comes in for a roasting on this board. Simple.

Nono I agree with you that Bush should be bashed, vilified and otherwise taken to task for not being PREPARED enough for this war (you I am sure think that he should not be in Iraq period but that is for another forum)but the real question is this:
How much vitriol do you save for the other side that Started all of this and constantly talks about wiping other countries off of the map etc..? The insanity of them casting death threats around the world for CARTOONS? Or writing books (Rushdie?) I hear much more about Bush than these crazy mo fos who started this sh*t 25 years ago (more actually but lets talk recent history here) You are free to speak any ill of Bush you want but those who wish you dead as an infidel will give you NO freedom if they take over and want as many of us dead as possible. George Bush is not in the same league here.
And at the very least if you don't think that we should have stopped the camps in Afganny you are certainly wrong.

Check the recent BBC interview with the captured leader of the Indonesian Al-Qieda linked Islam Jamiya and you will learn a lot
In it you will find that:
1> He thought that all infidels should be converted or killed (consistent with early church teachings)
2> He was captured AFTER his lower officials were captured and TORTURED (it works)
3> Jihad to kill is NOT in the Koran but comes from Shiekh Bin Laden and the Imams
4> And if let out he will seek to kill as many infidels as possible- including the reporter who asked point blank if he should be killed. After some coy smiles the skinny little murderer said yes if he doesn't convert.

In this age of semi portable nukes- it is us not them that will be bombed back to the stone age. And while they are planning all you are doing is bashing Bush who fully understands the problem.

[thx1138]

If you and your ilk didn;t watch MSNBC and CNN plus the morning shows your opinions might not be so laced with pc rot and imaginative thinking?If you didn't turn a blind eye to other opinions than those of the Democrat political aspirants the truth might blind you? Or at any rate show you that there are other just as valid opinions as yours?

Your really stuck in the left vs right ping-pong game. I'm not on the left or the right. Both sides left and right are corrupt, just the surface looks different but underneath they are the same.

I'm lucky enough not to have to listen to this left vs right mumbo jumbo on the TV or radio everyday. But if your exposed to this crap every day you start getting a warp sense of reality and thinking. One side will save us from the other, so you support one side until that side is used up and you switch to the other for a few years.

Sounds like a great system.

I think it's sad how warp media has made peoples minds... Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, BBC, daytime talk shows, and the like have all done a number on the common everyday joe.

This for example..

In this age of semi portable nukes- it is us not them that will be bombed back to the stone age. And while they are planning all you are doing is bashing Bush who fully understands the problem. You are free to speak any ill of Bush you want but those who wish you dead as an infidel will give you NO freedom if they take over and want as many of us dead as possible. George Bush is not in the same league here. And at the very least if you don't think that we should have stopped the camps in Afganny you are certainly wrong. I hear much more about Bush than these crazy mo fos who started this sh*t 25 years ago (more actually but lets talk recent history here) You are free to speak any ill of Bush you want but those who wish you dead as an infidel will give you NO freedom if they take over and want as many of us dead as possible.

I can just picture the foam comming from his mouth. How easy it would be to offer this guy a brown shirt and set him loose on the local darker skinned people down the road from him.

Which is what the system wants, it wants you to be so frightened that you'll believe that the only one can save you is the system.

[grandpa]

Quote by: thx1138 Your really stuck in the left vs right ping-pong game. I'm not on the left or the right.

To call Democrats the "Left" is a sick joke, as far as I'm concerned.

Grandpa h.

[Punkbuster]

Quote by: thx1138 I can just picture the foam comming from his mouth. How easy it would be to offer this guy a brown shirt and set him loose on the local darker skinned people down the road from him. Which is what the system wants, it wants you to be so frightened that you'll believe that the only one can save you is the system.

But THX this has nothing to do with the NEWS media it is just MEDIA books, tapes, DVDs etc...and if only HALF of the threats are true (Muslims are always big talkers) then we are in for some pretty large unfortunate events.
Oh and I will leave out the other proof- night club blasts, airports being driven into, countless effigies and protests almost weekly in the Muslim world against the great Satan (you and Me), Two huge office buildings brought down (after the 2nd try first one was close but only killed a few people) And surely you remember that Ramsi Yousef testified under oath that he attempted to topple one on the other so they would domino through lower Manhattan and on and on and on.

Call me a brown shirt or whatever but you have not addressed one fact I have presented and called it false.
Oh I forgot Bush brought down the twin towers and he caused the Bali bombings (if Bush was nicer and didn't invade Iraq we wouldn't have these terrorists ) OOOPS wrong term One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter so I cant use that anymore.
Oh and he drove into the airports to blow those up.


And you don't have a clue about me- I HAVE A VERY GOOD BUSINESS ASSOCIATE WHO IS VERY WEALTHY AND CONNECTED MUSLIM (Shia) I have been blessed by his Imam and have talked at length about these matters. He has offered to me the fact that they cant be stopped, live for the next world only and will stop at nothing to kill the infidel.

Also I am not scared, I invest, own two business, purchase equipment for the future (betting on an increase in business and fortune(s) and don't live in fear at all. Just reality.

And please don't include the BBC in your comments, if anything they try and keep the dread "M" word (Muslim) and "T" word (terrorist) out of all reporting. They are disaffected youth or some such British drivel.