New Al Qaeda Web Ad Threatens 'Big Surprise'

[Clarence]

maybe we can go back in time two posts and you can read it.

[billybobama]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio You just happened to be the only that posted, and that response was flippant. This is Al-Quada here, these guys are going to hit the USA again... It's not a matter of if. It's important to discuss.

Of course Usama Bin Laden and Al-Quada are going to attack the U.S.A. again. Why, because we are all tied up in Iraq. The other reason is that The Fascist Bush Crime Family wants another Terrorist Attack on the U.S., the bigger the better. Then George Bush can declare Martial Law and the U.S. Military Fascist State will be born.

[Autolykos]

As long as the United States pursues an aggressive foreign policy, there will likely be terrorist attacks against it.

- Rob

[GHook93]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio The Blotter: New Al Qaeda Web Ad Threatens 'Big Surprise' From reading the comment,s I think some of you frequent that blog.

You can't take all threats seriously, because from what I read the number of so called "legit" Al Qaeda threats is long list. However, it is always astonishing how many people marginalize the Al Qaeda threat. The threat is there and legitimate. These people can't be ignored. Is Iraq a fueling the flame, absolutely it was the biggest military blunder in US history. But it was definitely not that cause. Even without Iraq that threat would have been.

The reality is we are at war with Islamic facists!

[Scribbler1]

I agree, but since Vicchio didn't answer my question maybe you can.
Just what are we (ordinary citizens) supposed to DO about news like this? Should I begin shaking and wringing my hands NOW, or should I wait until we get hit again?

[ruksak]

Quote by: billybobama Of course Usama Bin Laden and Al-Quada are going to attack the U.S.A. again. Why, because we are all tied up in Iraq. The other reason is that The Fascist Bush Crime Family wants another Terrorist Attack on the U.S., the bigger the better. Then George Bush can declare Martial Law and the U.S. Military Fascist State will be born.

This sort of radical and unabashed fodder is more damaging than the misguided foreign policies of the Bush administration. Its a fantasy, brother. We have elections here, in the US. Bush is not setting up some evil scheme in which he will have armies marching through our streets. His election wasn't rigged. He didn't blow up the twin towers to start a war.

In short, Bush is in no way equivocal to Hitler. He has no dream of the realization of a state of martial law.

Quote by: Autolykos As long as the United States pursues an aggressive foreign policy, there will likely be terrorist attacks against it.

Allowing the Middle East to run wild would be a danger to all of us that share this Earth. This isn't about foreign policies. Its about a religion being preached to millions of people that teaches, if you aren't a Muslim, than you are the devil. We were seen as infidels for freeing the people of Kuwait. We are seen as infidels because we participate in relations with Israel. We are seen as infidels because we practice capitalism. We are seen as infidels because America is predominately Christian.
Islam will always find an infraction on our part upon the Muslim world, ALWAYS!

One of these days something horrible is going to happen, on Islams part, here in the US. I mean horrible. Not 9/11 horrible, but oh my god WTF holy Sh#t horrible.
Than people whom think like you will still suggest that we attack terrorism by hunting and pecking around for the "real enemy", all while being so careful not to infringe on the rights of the "good Muslims".
Technology is evolving to the point where small factions can and will have the capabilities to kill tens of thousands of people in a single instance.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Scribbler1 I agree, but since Vicchio didn't answer my question maybe you can. Just what are we (ordinary citizens) supposed to DO about news like this? Should I begin shaking and wringing my hands NOW, or should I wait until we get hit again?

I guess when you put it that way there is really not much you as a ordinary citizen can do, but I don't think the Al Qaeda or any Terrorist threat should be marginalized.

[Scribbler1]

I don't think it is. We're all aware of it, but the difference is between awareness and fearmongering.

[Autolykos]

Quote by: ruksak Allowing the Middle East to run wild would be a danger to all of us that share this Earth.

Do take "absence of US government interference in the Middle East" to equal "allowing the Middle East to run wild"? It would seem so, but I would rather wait for confirmation from you.

At any rate, I fail to see how minding our own business (as it were) would be "a danger to all of us that share this Earth". Could you expand on that?

This isn't about foreign policies.

How not?

Its about a religion being preached to millions of people that teaches, if you aren't a Muslim, than you are the devil.

Do you have evidence of this? I haven't read the Qur'an myself.

We were seen as infidels for freeing the people of Kuwait.

Even if you're correct here, there's not much we can do about that. One cannot change the past. However, even here I suspect you're wrong. Certainly the Kuwaitis do not see "us" as infidels for "freeing" them.

We are seen as infidels because we participate in relations with Israel.

Is there a difference, in your opinion, between recognizing a nation's existence, exchanging diplomats, etc. and giving it billions of dollars extracted (by force, if necessary) from the citizenry, as well as billions of dollars' worth of weaponry?

We are seen as infidels because we practice capitalism.

Could expand on this, please?

We are seen as infidels because America is predominately Christian.

Ditto.

Islam will always find an infraction on our part upon the Muslim world, ALWAYS!

Sorry, I didn't realize that not only do we have an expert on Islam in our midst, but we also have a clairvoyant. :rolleyes:

One of these days something horrible is going to happen, on Islams part, here in the US. I mean horrible. Not 9/11 horrible, but oh my god WTF holy Sh#t horrible.

Clairvoyancy FTW again?

Than people whom think like you will still suggest that we attack terrorism by hunting and pecking around for the "real enemy", all while being so careful not to infringe on the rights of the "good Muslims". Technology is evolving to the point where small factions can and will have the capabilities to kill tens of thousands of people in a single instance.

Either this is some kind of a threat or it's a desperate effort to reassure yourself of the correctness of your emotional position. Regardless, this does not a logical argument make. Try again.

- Rob

[bishop]

Quote by: Scribbler1 I don't think it is. We're all aware of it, but the difference is between awareness and fearmongering.

and in addition, there's a difference between talking about the threat and actually doing something to correct it... and then there's the case of talking about the threat and starting irrelevant/unnecessary wars, and ignoring the ports/borders at the same time.

all the war lemmings support and have supported politicians who've pursued the latter.

[billybobama]

Quote by: ruksak This sort of radical and unabashed fodder is more damaging than the misguided foreign policies of the Bush administration. Its a fantasy, brother. We have elections here, in the US. Bush is not setting up some evil scheme in which he will have armies marching through our streets. His election wasn't rigged. He didn't blow up the twin towers to start a war. In short, Bush is in no way equivocal to Hitler. He has no dream of the realization of a state of martial law. Allowing the Middle East to run wild would be a danger to all of us that share this Earth. This isn't about foreign policies. Its about a religion being preached to millions of people that teaches, if you aren't a Muslim, than you are the devil. We were seen as infidels for freeing the people of Kuwait. We are seen as infidels because we participate in relations with Israel. We are seen as infidels because we practice capitalism. We are seen as infidels because America is predominately Christian. Islam will always find an infraction on our part upon the Muslim world, ALWAYS! One of these days something horrible is going to happen, on Islams part, here in the US. I mean horrible. Not 9/11 horrible, but oh my god WTF holy Sh#t horrible. Than people whom think like you will still suggest that we attack terrorism by hunting and pecking around for the "real enemy", all while being so careful not to infringe on the rights of the "good Muslims". Technology is evolving to the point where small factions can and will have the capabilities to kill tens of thousands of people in a single instance.

I see you are good at spewing opinion, and referencing things that have zero to do with what I posted. If you can post anything meaningful besides usless opinion please do.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Scribbler1 I don't think it is. We're all aware of it, but the difference is between awareness and fearmongering.

I was trying to state you were, just stating it in general. The war on terror is being marginalized by many Americans. I don't think Americans should ignore the harsh reality that one a handfull of men have the ability to kill millions!

[xyzer]

Mr Vicchio speaks with straight tongue. The threat is real! We are at war! A new kind of war..Too many make light of it!

Ibn..something or another crows illogically..

Firstly, with linguistic imagination of course, USA claims that 'civillian nuclear energey' is the equivalent of 'nuclear bombs'...

Suggesting that an Iranian strongman sitting on one of the largest supplies of cheap energy in the world(oil) is innocuously developing enriched uraniaum(which is needed for weapons production) as an energy source for his country...All the while threatening to destroy his neighbor Israel? And of course blaming the USA for it all?
If that isn't an excursion into circular logic, I've not heard one?

And the good old bilylbob indicates its all Bush's fault! If Bush(And Congress) just hadn't propelled us into Iraq we wouldn't be having any problems with 'Ahwannajihad' threatening Israel. Things would be cool in the middle east, Osama would be peacefully spending his dollars on medicine and progress and ignoring the non believers? The Kurdish population might be smaller but what remains of them(those not gassed and slaughtered) would be worshipping at Saddams palace?

scribbler(wisely) mentions the difference between awareness and fearmongering! Where does one begin and or stop? I detect some on this thread so blinded by partisan advocacy that they call any attempts at awareness fearmongering? They continually criticize Bush and this nations attempts to be aware and counter the spread of international terrorism, all the while offering no sensible alternatives? They join 'dirty Harry' ,queen Nancy, Dandy Edwards, Chucky the political schemer, and other foreign polcy experts and armchair generals in round after round of criticm with no solutions? except... we are beat, Bush lied, the surge isn't working, we cant win. the whole thing is a disaster??

Those who complain the most and the loudest, don't offer any alternatives..May I ask why?

[The Decider]

Quote by: xyzer Ibn..something or another crows illogically.. Suggesting that an Iranian strongman sitting on one of the largest supplies of cheap energy in the world(oil) is innocuously developing enriched uraniaum(which is needed for weapons production) as an energy source for his country...

xy...something or another, you do know that American and European governments supplied nuclear reactor technology to oil-rich Iran during the 1970's to produce electricity and that many of Iran's nuclear scientists received their education at MIT and other western institutions? Well, obviously you didn't know that, because if you did you would have to admit that America has considered Iranian nuclear plants a necessity. Well, now you know.

In 1968, Iran signed the NPT in an effort to speed up its negotiations for nuclear agreements, particularly with the United States. In 1970, the government ratified the NPT and its obligations went into force.

In the five years that followed, Iran concluded several contracts for the construction of nuclear plants and the supply of nuclear fuel: with the United States in 1974; Germany in 1976; and France in 1977. In 1976, Iran also purchased a stake in Eurodif's (the European consortium) Tricastin uranium enrichment plant in France and purchased a stake in the RTZ uranium mine in Rossing, Namibia. Also in 1976, the government signed a $700 million contract to purchase uranium yellowcake from South Africa and sent Iranian technicians abroad for training in nuclear sciences.

NTI: Country Overviews: Iran: Nuclear Overview

Quote by: xyzer I detect some on this thread so blinded by partisan advocacy that they call any attempts at awareness fearmongering? <snip> They join 'dirty Harry' ,queen Nancy, Dandy Edwards, Chucky the political schemer, and other foreign polcy experts and armchair generals

When you accuse people of blind partisanship and two sentences later single out partisan leaders for name-calling (but ignore the many Republicans and conservatives opposed to this war), you tend to lose credibility. Some might even call it "hypocrisy." Just saying...

Quote by: xyzer Those who complain the most and the loudest, don't offer any alternatives..May I ask why?

Why? Perhaps because many have cited the Iraq Study Group recommendations as a good alternative. Some have argued for withdrawal proposals. But since these "alternatives" don't meet with your approval, you dismiss them and claim that blind partisans have offered not alternatives. Some might call that "disingenuous," xy...something or another.

[jose]

Quote by: xyzer .All the while threatening to destroy his neighbor Israel?

i call foul, got a link for that assertion
mean while back at the Ranch,

FOOTBALL stars David Beckham and Wayne Rooney are the targets of a chilling al-Qaeda murder plot.

News of the World

Officials from the Palestinian Authority have accused the Israeli spy agency Mossad of setting up a fake al-Qaeda terrorist cell in Gaza. Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat said that Israel had set up the mock cell in order to justify attacks in Palestinian areas. [BBC News - 12/8/2002]

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio And this is why Volconvo is never going to be a serious debate site, or attract large number of posters who wish to discuss world events. None of ya'll live in the real world, just your own kooky bubbles of self made reality.

While YOU, on the other hand, ...

AlQaeda is a manufactured boogyman. Created by the CIA and the Pakistan ISI. Associated with the well funded resistance to the Russian presence in Afghanistan beginning about 25 years ago. Did it turn and bite the US? Maybe, maybe not.

Since the official story of 9/11 doesn't account for the building collapses and many other details, AlQaeda may be nothing but an elaborate smokescreen for a traitorous, tyrannical agenda overseen from Washington.

So pardon me if I don't freak over an AlQaeda threat. I kinda figure Osama may be relaxing comfortably in the vicinity of Crawford, Texas.

[rmnunez]

You'll be excused by those of us not in your large cohort, Patrick, apparently there are quite a few conspiracy buffs and assorted paranoiacs, who like you, fear the advent of the Bushian empire.

They have outlandish theories of self-inflicted attacks to justify intervention, and all of this just to provide cover for the usurpation of civil rights necessary to perpetrate Bush's coup. The DHS apparently is custom made for this purpose. We shall see, its (517 days)

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until bush is out of office.

Unless they get him first.

[xyzer]

Thanks for the trip into past history Decider? I was expecting this resurrection of the good old 'indirect consequences' ploy!

Yep things really haven't changed in the past quarter century or so?
Who was that ancestrally related ruler of Iran? The Shah? Just an impediment to a religiously generated shift to the tribal dogma of Islam ?

The US had the same threats and needs then as they do in todays real world? Is that your point? The world is not dynamic but in a static state...thus we can always blame past decisions/choices(no matter how old) for todays problems?
Mr Vicchio hits it dead center?

None of ya'll live in the real world, just your own kooky bubbles of self made reality.

It's what can be termed playground logic! Johnny shot me with a paper wad in 3d grade so its his fault I just shot him in the back with my 357 Magnum?!!!

Some nations provided Iran with nuclear knowhow 40 years ago and thus it's not Irans fault that Irans present ruler now wants to enrich uranium and destroy Israel? Its the fault of those who provided the secrets 40 years ago? Circumstances and people are frozen in time? Nonsense and Balderdash!

[bishop]

vicchio hit nothing dead center. he hit and ran, and did not debate - something that is the norm for him.

you're "we are at war!" cries are nice, but don't be offended if many of us don't join you in crapping our pants.

the fact of the matter is that 9/11 happened some 6 years ago. interesting that people who are all riddled with "we are at war!" fear continue to support politicians who've accomplished the following:

1. we've stopped going after the heads of al qaeda, and instead adventured into iraq - a true quagmire situation.
2. we've seen the number of terrorist attacks and terrorist recruitments grow, rather than shrink.
3. in afghanistan, we've seen record poppy harvests in addition to a resurgence of the taliban (who are almost synonymous with al qaeda as far as i'm concerned).
4. we've done virtually nothing to secure our borders and ports.

so you ask for alternatives that can move us away from the fear-motivated mindlessness that has been the norm for these past 6 years...

1. withdraw from iraq. keep some troops in neighboring countries primarily to preserve the ability to use special forces to knock out key terrorist leaders.
2. return our focus to afghanistan and pakistan. increase pressure to focus on the frontier regions.
3. use the national guard to defend the nation, rather than the empire. deploy them along the borders and at the ports. invest in solutions to permit us to scan incoming materials more efficiently rather than piss money down the drain for the failed dream that is iraq.
4. treat terrorism as a criminal matter, handled primarily by the FBI, CIA and NSA - rather than the marines, army, etc...
5. realize that terrorism cannot be defeated by engaging in nation building exercises.

[billybobama]

Just a thought. Could it be that the Bush Administration never intended to capture or kill Usama Bin Laden or destroy Al-Queada. If they did how could they scare all the coward ass Republicans?