Israeli Textbook Admits Jewish State a Tragedy for Palestinians

[Yarn]

The US should no do anything until the other side (Arabs and Palestines) show a willingness to move toward peace.

Peace will never be achieved until the lot of the Palestinian people is made decent, and it never will be so, as long Israel continues to suffocate the Palestinian economy.

Trying to kill Hezbollah with airforce fire that can't distinguish civillians from militants, in order to aviod having to expose ground troops (much less than a thousand of whom would have consequently died), is not only ineffective and a source of major back, but also morally wrong.

The settlements on the west bank are illegal, and the wall being made to protect them, is one of the things which is suffocating the Palestinian economy. Many arab countries refuse to ever recognise Israel until it limits itself to its 1967 border. It will be more difficult for Israel to broker a two state peace deal with the Palestinians, if the Palestinians are in such a deal, denied the entireity of the west bank.

It is the USes perogative, that its sponsored state, draw as little muslim hatred toward itself and consequently the US, as it reasonably can. It is a moral perogative, that peace be achieved, and that the quality and security of the lives of Israel's neighboring peoples be made well.

The US can't control the Arabs and Persians. It can within bounds control Israel, and should do so in a manner which will benefit everyone, if Israel cannot be responsible of its own accord.

The reason the Lebanese people suffered is because the Hezbollah terrorist cowards hide within the civilians and use them as shield to increase collar damage. The Lebanese only have Hezbollah to blame.

The blockade had nothing to do with Hezbollah positioning itself, its firing sites among civillians, and the blockade did do a lot of economic damage. So a portion of the suffering, can only be blamed on Hezbollah inadvertently provoking Israel into war, and/or Israel deciding to conduct said war.

However, I should take this time to state, that positioning itself among civillians was a horrible thing for Hezbollah to do, yet if it had not done it, and so not encurred the Israeli's killing 1000 civillians, it would not have come out of that conflict any where near as popular in the Middle East as it did, showing us just how screwed up the Middle East is, wherein the blatant immorality of those whom fight the west is ignored and the immorality of small intratargeted west actions (such as the printing of rude cartoons in an obscure dutch newspaper, or the misunderstanding of a small part of a long speech by the pope, or, well I have little, but still a bit more sympathy for the 300 movie outcry) are sometimes met with an uproar.

The Middle East has good cause to be angry at the west, but it neither looks at the west nor itself objectively.

It is funny, historically the Persian have been the best to the Jews of any people. They freed the Jews from the Assyrians and Babloyians and let them built the 2nd temple. Then they help the Jews fight the Byzantine Empire and regain very temporary automony (although the is controversy on who betrayed who) before the Arab Crusaders took over.

In fact they had diplomatic relations until the 1979 Islamic Revolution. Even after that Israel supplied arms during the Iran-Iraqi war. And before Alam-douchebag - Khatami was much less hostile. Maybe after Alam-douchebag, Israel and Iran can forge at least non-hostile relations.

Doesn't Iran have some national holiday calling for the removal of Israel from the Middle East? Akmanhenijad is loud, but not unusual in his views towards Israel in his country I suspect.

You know, the biggest problem with Akman is not that he isn't good (maybe, his speeches don't neccessarily protray who he really is, but my gut leads me to give him good faith). It is rather that he is delusional. He always assumes bad faith on the part of the west, he believes conspiracy theories (the holocaust didn't happen, the US trained the Iraqi insurgency to give the US an excuse to stay in Iraq).

He likes trying to speak to the west, but is incapable of debating it well, because he doesn't even try to put himself in its shoes.

I've heard that the people of Iran are getting annoyed at him for spending too much time on foreign affairs, and too little time on the economy. I heard specifically that the Supreme leader of Iran, dislikes that he says all these provacative things which rile the west up, plausibly helping the cause of plastering Iran with sanctions in the process. I have also heard that Akman's party didn't do so well in local elections a while ago.

That messiah Akman keeps rambling about willing, Akman won't be in office much longer.

[GodBlessAmerica]

The other Middle Eastern countries will not allow a peace with Israel, because without Israel they would be back to much more violent inter-tribal Islamic warfare.

I don't see peace as probably at this time.

[pikatore]

Quote by: GHook93 Israel is teaching the other side that the Palestinians are humans and have suffered. Yet just across the border they teach that the Jews are Demons and they must all be killed.

Not Jews, Israelis.

You'd think something like this, a bloody TEXTBOOK modification, took 60 years, but that does little to help all the Palestinean refugees misplaced by Israeli conquest, doesn't it?

[GHook93]

Quote by: pikatore Not Jews, Israelis. You'd think something like this, a bloody TEXTBOOK modification, took 60 years, but that does little to help all the Palestinean refugees misplaced by Israeli conquest, doesn't it?

I was wondering when you were going to climb out of your hole.

The Palestinian (and Arab) textbooks talk about ALL JEWS as demons that drink poor Palestine blood. The Israeli textbook (from what I am told) have never demonized the Arabs that way the Arab textbooks do. Of course someone like you will dumb it down, even though it will be probably another 100 yrs and the Palestinian and Arab textbooks will still say the JEWS drink Arab blood for breakfast!

Come give one side its props when they do something right. I definitely do that with the side I don't agree with. Don't let anti-semitism stand in your way of giving a side props!

[GHook93]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica The other Middle Eastern countries will not allow a peace with Israel, because without Israel they would be back to much more violent inter-tribal Islamic warfare. I don't see peace as probably at this time.

I don't believe this. 3 Muslim countries have diplomatic ties with Israel. I believe if the Palestinian situation can ever be solved, then others besides Turkey, Egypt and Jordan would fall in line.

[Ibn_Sina]

Quote by: GHook93 It can easy to get in a pissing match if you want!

Say again?

What nukes were used in '48, '67 or '73? They look strong even without nukes. But nukes do make them look a hell of a lot stronger.

Nukes are out of question, like I said. Without nukes? I seriously doubt.

Come on I know you have hometown pride, but the air threat is definitely in Israel's advantage.

If common knowledge is considered, I agree. BUT, Iran does not show off every one of its best military innovations. You see, Iran used to sell military equipments (before sanctions) to 50 something countries. However, as far as I know, we don't sell many of our best (be it jets or missiles) and they are unknown to the world. Thus, your enemy does not create something to counter it. If that happens, its a waste of money, for obvious reasons. So, don't be so sure.

No Hezbollah's advantage was their lack of care of the Lebanese civilians. Every Lebanese civilian that was killed was a victory for Hezbollah. This was a PR war watched by the whole world.

No, the reason is, Hezbollah knows how to fight like true warriors. Israeli army would have been wiped out by fighters with second hand guns, if a ground invasion was considered.

Let's see 70 million to 7 million! Of course the Iranian ground force will be superior!

What's your point? I was also not complaining about US military assistance to Israel. Our ground force wouldn't even be necessary. Revolutionary Guards themselves are better fighters than Hezbolla. Thus, you don't stand a chance.

[Yarn]

Nukes are out of question, like I said.

I specifically qouted a portion of an article in an earlier post:
"It is widely reported that Israel had two bombs in 1967, and that Prime Minister Eshkol ordered them armed in Israel's first nuclear alert during the Six-Day War. It is also reported that, fearing defeat in the October 1973 Yom Kippur War, the Israelis assembled 13 twenty-kiloton atomic bombs."
Nuclear Weapons - Israel

I think this more or less empirically proves you wrong. An Israel about to be wiped off the map would use nukes.

Tell me how it preparing its nukes to fire on its invaders on the past two occassions it was invaded, does not prove, Israel would fire nukes at its invaders on future occassions, if its invaders gained the upper hand. Do that, or stop saying nukes are off the table.

If common knowledge is considered, I agree. BUT, Iran does not show off every one of its best military innovations.

Honestly, while Iran may be hiding some of its capacity, it would have to be hiding a heck of a lot beat Israel in the airforce. Why should we believe that Iran is hiding hundreds of modern fighters? Is it even possible to hide that many?

If Iran loses the airwar, it loses the war, because its homeland becomes bombarded, and its army gets blown up if it comes out in the open.

No, the reason is, Hezbollah knows how to fight like true warriors.

Launching missles from civillian areas in order to get the enemy to kill civllians and thus makes itself look bad, is an evil tactic. I am going to repeat a passage of what I wrote in an earlier post:

However, I should take this time to state, that positioning itself among civillians was a horrible thing for Hezbollah to do, yet if it had not done it, and so not encurred the Israeli's killing 1000 civillians, it would not have come out of that conflict any where near as popular in the Middle East as it did, showing us just how screwed up the Middle East is, wherein the blatant immorality of those whom fight the west is ignored and the immorality of small intratargeted west actions (such as the printing of rude cartoons in an obscure dutch newspaper, or the misunderstanding of a small part of a long speech by the pope, or, well I have little, but still a bit more sympathy for the 300 movie outcry) are sometimes met with an uproar.

The Middle East has good cause to be angry at the west, but it neither looks at the west nor itself objectively.

Say how trying to get the enemy to kill civillians is not evil, or retract your statement that Hezbollah is made up of goodwarriors.

Israeli army would have been wiped out by fighters with second hand guns, if a ground invasion was considered.

It was completed successfully, the Israeli's got to the Litani river, and stopped the missle firings.

What's your point? I was also not complaining about US military assistance to Israel. Our ground force wouldn't even be necessary. Revolutionary Guards themselves are better fighters than Hezbolla. Thus, you don't stand a chance.

I don't if you were to get around to refuting my last two posts, but anyways, I'll once again reprint a passage from one of them:

The US and Israel both have very good track records in defeating conventional armies, and it is guirella forces which they have trouble with, and guirella forces can agitate but not really win in any other fashion then making their enemies give up. Furthermore guirellas cannot preservere where they do not have popular support (in Israel itself). They have been trying unsuccessfully to get rid of Israel for 40 years, with no success, and much strife to point to as a result of the effort.

Refute this or stop pretending Iran's standing field army as effective per man as Hezbollahs city dwelling guirella forces, which embedded themselves with civillians.

Also, if Israel hadn't cared at all about collateral damage, it could've just flattened anywhere where it had a vague inkling Hezbollah forces might be, and then Hezbollah actually would be destroyed. Israel was more indiscriminate than I would have liked, but it was not as indiscriminate as it could have been.

Iran's army possibly could beat Israel's, if we ignore airforce, and ignore logistics-but if it did, it would only do so because of its size.

[GHook93]

Man buddy you have to learn how to quote. It is very simple. Without it it makes you posts difficult to read and hence no quite worth the effort to read.

Quote by: Yarn Nukes are out of question, like I said. I specifically qouted a portion of an article in an earlier post: "It is widely reported that Israel had two bombs in 1967, and that Prime Minister Eshkol ordered them armed in Israel's first nuclear alert during the Six-Day War. It is also reported that, fearing defeat in the October 1973 Yom Kippur War, the Israelis assembled 13 twenty-kiloton atomic bombs." Nuclear Weapons - Israel I think this more or less empirically proves you wrong. An Israel about to be wiped off the map would use nukes. Tell me how it preparing its nukes to fire on its invaders on the past two occassions it was invaded, does not prove, Israel would fire nukes at its invaders on future occassions, if its invaders gained the upper hand. Do that, or stop saying nukes are off the table. If common knowledge is considered, I agree. BUT, Iran does not show off every one of its best military innovations. Honestly, while Iran may be hiding some of its capacity, it would have to be hiding a heck of a lot beat Israel in the airforce. Why should we believe that Iran is hiding hundreds of modern fighters? Is it even possible to hide that many? If Iran loses the airwar, it loses the war, because its homeland becomes bombarded, and its army gets blown up if it comes out in the open. No, the reason is, Hezbollah knows how to fight like true warriors. Launching missles from civillian areas in order to get the enemy to kill civllians and thus makes itself look bad, is an evil tactic. I am going to repeat a passage of what I wrote in an earlier post: However, I should take this time to state, that positioning itself among civillians was a horrible thing for Hezbollah to do, yet if it had not done it, and so not encurred the Israeli's killing 1000 civillians, it would not have come out of that conflict any where near as popular in the Middle East as it did, showing us just how screwed up the Middle East is, wherein the blatant immorality of those whom fight the west is ignored and the immorality of small intratargeted west actions (such as the printing of rude cartoons in an obscure dutch newspaper, or the misunderstanding of a small part of a long speech by the pope, or, well I have little, but still a bit more sympathy for the 300 movie outcry) are sometimes met with an uproar. The Middle East has good cause to be angry at the west, but it neither looks at the west nor itself objectively. Say how trying to get the enemy to kill civillians is not evil, or retract your statement that Hezbollah is made up of goodwarriors. Israeli army would have been wiped out by fighters with second hand guns, if a ground invasion was considered. It was completed successfully, the Israeli's got to the Litani river, and stopped the missle firings. What's your point? I was also not complaining about US military assistance to Israel. Our ground force wouldn't even be necessary. Revolutionary Guards themselves are better fighters than Hezbolla. Thus, you don't stand a chance. I don't if you were to get around to refuting my last two posts, but anyways, I'll once again reprint a passage from one of them: The US and Israel both have very good track records in defeating conventional armies, and it is guirella forces which they have trouble with, and guirella forces can agitate but not really win in any other fashion then making their enemies give up. Furthermore guirellas cannot preservere where they do not have popular support (in Israel itself). They have been trying unsuccessfully to get rid of Israel for 40 years, with no success, and much strife to point to as a result of the effort. Refute this or stop pretending Iran's standing field army as effective per man as Hezbollahs city dwelling guirella forces, which embedded themselves with civillians. Also, if Israel hadn't cared at all about collateral damage, it could've just flattened anywhere where it had a vague inkling Hezbollah forces might be, and then Hezbollah actually would be destroyed. Israel was more indiscriminate than I would have liked, but it was not as indiscriminate as it could have been. Iran's army possibly could beat Israel's, if we ignore airforce, and ignore logistics-but if it did, it would only do so because of its size.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Ibn_Sina Say again? .

Basically stating my Dad could kick your Dad's ass type of mentality!

Nukes are out of question, like I said. Without nukes? I seriously doubt.

Syria, Iraq, Lebannon Egypt and Jordan under-estimated Israel in the past it seems like the you are doing the same think!

If common knowledge is considered, I agree. BUT, Iran does not show off every one of its best military innovations. You see, Iran used to sell military equipments (before sanctions) to 50 something countries. However, as far as I know, we don't sell many of our best (be it jets or missiles) and they are unknown to the world. Thus, your enemy does not create something to counter it. If that happens, its a waste of money, for obvious reasons. So, don't be so sure.

PLEASE, you are like Prax with his national pride in his country. Iran is not that industrialized of a nation. It it pathetic with all the oil Iran has they don't have any refineries to turn it into gas, so they have to export the oil and import the gas. My Alamdouchebag should worry more about getting extra refineries and the shity state of the Iranian economy, rather than worrying about Israel and arming Hamas, Hezbollah and Syria. Then he won't have to raise gas price (lol. pathetic) and wag the dog to invert attention away from Iran's economic woes.

No, the reason is, Hezbollah knows how to fight like true warriors. Israeli army would have been wiped out by fighters with second hand guns, if a ground invasion was considered.

True Warriors! Too much Iranian State run news again I see. The Hezbollah fighters are cowards. They knew the way for them to win the war, was not militarily, but via the PR! They fired their missiles in the middle of civilian neighbors. They look up location specifically so civilian would become collateral damage. All you can say for them is that they did what they had to do in the conflict and Israel fought with one hand tied behind their backs.

Too much pride in the Iranian army! How did you guys do against Sadam's Iraq, in which 3/4 of the country hated him? Damn Iran is tough.
It cost Iran an estimated 1 million casualties.

What's your point? I was also not complaining about US military assistance to Israel. Our ground force wouldn't even be necessary

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The share population advantage is all Iran would have. Without a ground war, Iran wouldn't have a chance.

Revolutionary Guards themselves are better fighters than Hezbolla.

Maybe, maybe not. Hard to prove either way.

Thus, you don't stand a chance

Who is we? I am an American! No matter what happens that is the only country I would live in, fight for and die for!

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: Ghook Maybe, maybe not. Hard to prove either way.

Indeed, not that it matters since they're two completely different styles of fighting regardless.

[pikatore]

Quote by: Yarn However, I should take this time to state, that positioning itself among civillians was a horrible thing for Hezbollah to do, yet if it had not done it, and so not encurred the Israeli's killing 1000 civillians, it would not have come out of that conflict any where near as popular in the Middle East as it did, showing us just how screwed up the Middle East is, wherein the blatant immorality of those whom fight the west is ignored and the immorality of small intratargeted west actions (such as the printing of rude cartoons in an obscure dutch newspaper, or the misunderstanding of a small part of a long speech by the pope, or, well I have little, but still a bit more sympathy for the 300 movie outcry) are sometimes met with an uproar.

Wait a second. You are blaming Hezbollah's positioning for Israel's AIRSTRIKES? As far as I can tell, Hezbollah is engaging Israel is guerrila warfare, one of the tactics being hiding amongst the populace. This tactic is what MAKES Hezbollah so potent, since they are armed with recycled and dated weaponry.

Israel gave the order to make the air strikes. Please don't insult everyone's intellegence by blaming that order on Hezbollah.

You think the US would have done exactly the same thing? The UPROAR that would cause back in the US would be too much to bear.

Hezbollah hid EXPECTING Israel to have a conscience and not bomb downtown Beirut to pieces, but that was the only thing that they can be blamed for. Israel's indiscriminate (cause that's what it was) bombing is inexcusable. That doesn't mean Hezbollah is out of the loop either.

But you need to applaud Hezbollah's militia for withstanding the high tech ground assault that Israel made. That shows the power of will. And whilst they may have strings leading to Iran, they no doubt (as one even told me during my stay in Lebanon) haven't forgetten thier primary goal, and that is to resist Israel.

[GHook93]

Quote by: pikatore Wait a second. You are blaming Hezbollah's positioning for Israel's AIRSTRIKES? As far as I can tell, Hezbollah is engaging Israel is guerrila warfare, one of the tactics being hiding amongst the populace. This tactic is what MAKES Hezbollah so potent, since they are armed with recycled and dated weaponry. Israel gave the order to make the air strikes. Please don't insult everyone's intellegence by blaming that order on Hezbollah. You think the US would have done exactly the same thing? The UPROAR that would cause back in the US would be too much to bear. Hezbollah hid EXPECTING Israel to have a conscience and not bomb downtown Beirut to pieces, but that was the only thing that they can be blamed for. Israel's indiscriminate (cause that's what it was) bombing is inexcusable. That doesn't mean Hezbollah is out of the loop either. But you need to applaud Hezbollah's militia for withstanding the high tech ground assault that Israel made. That shows the power of will. And whilst they may have strings leading to Iran, they no doubt (as one even told me during my stay in Lebanon) haven't forgetten thier primary goal, and that is to resist Israel.

Pikatore, this was argued countless times. Goto thr thread, instead of derailing the topic. LAMO

[Ibn_Sina]

Quote by: GHook93 Basically stating my Dad could kick your Dad's ass type of mentality!

What is your Dad?

Syria, Iraq, Lebannon Egypt and Jordan under-estimated Israel in the past it seems like the you are doing the same think!

Iran is not Syria, Iraq, Egypt or Lebanon.

PLEASE, you are like Prax with his national pride in his country. Iran is not that industrialized of a nation. It it pathetic with all the oil Iran has they don't have any refineries to turn it into gas, so they have to export the oil and import the gas. My Alamdouchebag should worry more about getting extra refineries and the shity state of the Iranian economy, rather than worrying about Israel and arming Hamas, Hezbollah and Syria. Then he won't have to raise gas price (lol. pathetic) and wag the dog to invert attention away from Iran's economic woes.

Well, it's easy to say, Sweden is richer than Swaziland. However, the problem with that fact is, although it is true, you are not looking at these countries' history. Numerous times the world has tried to weaken Iran (with sanctions too). Puppet US-backed Dictators didn't help and as you should know, it takes years to have sustaining economic growth.

True Warriors! Too much Iranian State run news again I see. The Hezbollah fighters are cowards. They knew the way for them to win the war, was not militarily, but via the PR! They fired their missiles in the middle of civilian neighbors. They look up location specifically so civilian would become collateral damage. All you can say for them is that they did what they had to do in the conflict and Israel fought with one hand tied behind their backs.

FOX News really got you brainwashed this time with that coverage.

Too much pride in the Iranian army! How did you guys do against Sadam's Iraq, in which 3/4 of the country hated him? Damn Iran is tough. It cost Iran an estimated 1 million casualties.

Saddam's army was world's fourth largest. They were trained and aided by USA too.

Iran was only a few years old state, ridiculous army with ridiculous ammunitions.

No comparison!

[Yarn]

Wait a second. You are blaming Hezbollah's positioning for Israel's AIRSTRIKES? As far as I can tell, Hezbollah is engaging Israel is guerrila warfare, one of the tactics being hiding amongst the populace. This tactic is what MAKES Hezbollah so potent, since they are armed with recycled and dated weaponry.

Israel gave the order to make the air strikes. Please don't insult everyone's intellegence by blaming that order on Hezbollah.

Human shields bearers are as responsible for the killing of their shields, as are the people who actually kill their shields to get at them. Isn't this obvious? Isn't it immoral to have innocents be killed in the name of self-preservation?

What Israel did-kill a 1000 civillians, cause millions to flee their homes, cripple an economy which was just beggining to get back on its feet-all to try to destroy an organization which had conducted only one small attack on Israel in the 6 years prior-was evil, but that doesn't make Hezbollah good, or it not partly responsible for much of what happened.

Maybe Hezbollah is good overall, but it is evil in the way it conducts war.

You think the US would have done exactly the same thing? The UPROAR that would cause back in the US would be too much to bear.

No the US would not have done the same thing. I am not defending Israel, but rather attacking Hezbollah.

Hezbollah hid EXPECTING Israel to have a conscience and not bomb downtown Beirut to pieces,

What historical basis did it have to expect this?

The conflict lasted a month. Hezbollah had time to adjust to reality, and stop imbedding itself among civillians, and worse having its missle sites be right next to civillian homes. It could have easily evacuated such homes at the very least, but didn't.

Israel has always been willing to give up foreign civillian lives in order to kill militants. Hezbollah wasn't stupid, it was evil.

But you need to applaud Hezbollah's militia for withstanding the high tech ground assault that Israel made.

I don't applaud merit, or even willpower and courage, which when misguided can be a source of enormous strife. What I applaud is sound action based on the pursuance of good moral values.

That shows the power of will. And whilst they may have strings leading to Iran, they no doubt (as one even told me during my stay in Lebanon) haven't forgetten thier primary goal, and that is to resist Israel.

If Hezbollah had become non-militant or non-existent, after Israel left Lebanon in 2000, as Israel had expected Hezbollah would, none of this would have ever happened.

The only thing that has ever brought Israel into Lebanon has been anti-Israeli militants.

[Yarn]

Ibn_Sina:
FOX News really got you brainwashed this time with that coverage.

The Hezbollah fighters are cowards.

Subjective.

They knew the way for them to win the war, was not militarily, but via the PR!

In part I think so, though we don't have proof of that.

The Israeli government's airstrikes were ineffective, and got Israel's people, and most of the world, calling for Israel to end the war. And so Israel did.

So in a sense, PR is what lost Israel the war (though it did win the buffer zone), though without giving up, I don't think Israel could've lost, though whether it could've won is another question, which you think you could answer, but which I don't I can.

They fired their missiles in the middle of civilian neighbors. [That is civillian neighborhoods]

This i've read from far more sources than fox news. In fact, i've never read anything to the contrary, and articles I read come from any of over hundreds of different news outlets (I use google news).

They look up location specifically so civilian would become collateral damage.

The general idea was to imbed themselves in civillian communities, so as to use such communities as human shields.

All you can say for them is that they did what they had to do in the conflict and Israel fought with one hand tied behind their backs.

Israel restrained itself to an extent. Not to a sufficient extent in my opinion.

Speaking of cowardness, why are you continueing a debate you started with me, with the ever eccentric and ungrammatical Ghook?

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: Ibn Iran is not Syria, Iraq, Egypt or Lebanon.

So you think Iran is superior to these nations combined? The arrogance is blinding!

[GHook93]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 So you think Iran is superior to these nations combined? The arrogance is blinding!

Just like Prax with Canada, Idan has alot of Iranian Pride!

[pikatore]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 So you think Iran is superior to these nations combined? The arrogance is blinding!

He never said that. But it is true that Iran has a better organised military force than any of those countries.

[Ibn_Sina]

Quote by: pikatore He never said that. But it is true that Iran has a better organised military force than any of those countries.

Exactly.

Syrian army is in fact helped by Iran, plus Syria and Lebanon are always bitching over political matters. She does not seem that organized.

Iraq? Well.. I won't have to say anything.

Egypt may be stronger than Iran, but she is an US ally. Her strength would be of no use.

[Matt W]

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