45 Muslim doctors planned US terror raids

[Arawn-ap-Hywel]

45 Muslim doctors planned US terror raids | Uk News | News | Telegraph

A group of 45 Muslim doctors threatened to use car bombs and rocket grenades in terrorist attacks in the United States during discussions on an extremist internet chat site. Cyber-terrorists: Tariq Daour, Younis Tsouli and Waseem Mughal Police found details of the discussions on a site run by one of a three-strong "cyber-terrorist" gang. They were discovered at the home of Younis Tsouli, 23, Woolwich Crown Court in south-east London heard. One message read: "We are 45 doctors and we are determined to undertake jihad and take the battle inside America.

[tinybear]

Hey, did you hear what one of these guys said? "Those who cure you are also those who kill you". Does that send a shiver down your spine or what?

[xyzer]

The underlying cause for all these tactics is hard to comprehend. Why in the heck are well educated, above average, young men so intent on killing innocents? How can a pseudo religious cause influence these men to plan and attempt to wantonly kill people who have no connection with, or influence on, US policy? Or British policy?

The so called 'causes' which result in jihad are history and can't be changed? The so called humans that made history are either dead or out of power. Surely these madmen know that the world is dynamic. One would think that an advanced education would equip them to face logical reality. I find it hard to believe such madness exists in the world of Islam?

Is this an example of how a religious belief can be so inculcated in a youngsters education as to shut off his sense of mercy and understanding?

[tinybear]

It just goes to show how dangerous religious fanatical indoctrination is. It affects not only the poor, the hopeless and uneducated, but also middle-class, well-educated professional people.

[CoffeeSaint]

While I agree that religious fanaticism is dangerous, nationalism is equally so; listening to people talk about how we should simply nuke the Middle East since they are all our enemies is no less chilling than this, and no less extreme.

I would like to know how we solve this. Are we forever to be the Great Satan, and the enemy of all Islamic extremists, or can this be fixed?

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: CoffeeSaint While I agree that religious fanaticism is dangerous, nationalism is equally so; listening to people talk about how we should simply nuke the Middle East since they are all our enemies is no less chilling than this, and no less extreme.

I agree that those scenarios are equally chilling.

Quote by: CoffeeSaint I would like to know how we solve this. Are we forever to be the Great Satan, and the enemy of all Islamic extremists, or can this be fixed?

I still say there is a simple solution, and that we simply need to take their advice, and leave them to practice their own self determination, and chart their own destiny.


I don't see why people want to make it any more complicated than it already is, but the fact is that they have admitted what motivates them, and what will make them stop.

[GHook93]

Quote by: CoffeeSaint While I agree that religious fanaticism is dangerous, nationalism is equally so; listening to people talk about how we should simply nuke the Middle East since they are all our enemies is no less chilling than this, and no less extreme. I would like to know how we solve this. Are we forever to be the Great Satan, and the enemy of all Islamic extremists, or can this be fixed?

I think the nuke the ME is a knee-jerk reaction. Better solution would be to secure our borders and ports, kick out any non-US citizen that has committed any crime, deport all illegal immigrants etc.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Milton Bradley I still say there is a simple solution, and that we simply need to take their advice, and leave them to practice their own self determination, and chart their own destiny. I don't see why people want to make it any more complicated than it already is, but the fact is that they have admitted what motivates them, and what will make them stop.

I thinkk this would be a short term solution, but not a long-term one. Once we aren't over there, they would find another reason to continue their Jihad on the West.

[Arawn-ap-Hywel]

Quote by: GHook93 I thinkk this would be a short term solution, but not a long-term one. Once we aren't over there, they would find another reason to continue their Jihad on the West.

GHook they have one, it's the prevention of western decadence and the forced conversion to the words of allah

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: GHook93 I thinkk this would be a short term solution, but not a long-term one. Once we aren't over there, they would find another reason to continue their Jihad on the West.

Then I wouldn't have a problem turning segments of the ME to glass.

[T Bone]

Quote by: Arawn-ap-Hywel GHook they have one, it's the prevention of western decadence and the forced conversion to the words of allah

In the current reality of globalization, this is impossible. American ideas and values will somehow seep into the Muslim world one way or another.

Education is the answer to their hate of the west and vise versa. We need to learn about them, they need to learn about us, and there must be respect and tolerance on both sides of this "holy war" for it to ever come to an end.

[thx1138]

"The underlying cause for all these tactics is hard to comprehend. Why in the heck are well educated, above average, young men so intent on killing innocents? How can a pseudo religious cause influence these men to plan and attempt to wantonly kill people who have no connection with, or influence on, US policy? Or British policy?"

These tactics are being used to scare people in the west from visiting any doctors that are from the middle east. You can tell by some of the posts here people buy into this line of bull. Just another way to keep you in terror and in support of the bugus war on terror.

Relgion and the war on terror

Freedom and Fear... doubletalk

[Chaossaber314]

You know, for someone who spouts a lot of random conspiracies concerning confirmed incidents, you never seem to post any proof of your suspicions, merely seemingly (at least to me) uninformed conjecture.

[Arawn-ap-Hywel]

Quote by: T Bone In the current reality of globalization, this is impossible. American ideas and values will somehow seep into the Muslim world one way or another. Education is the answer to their hate of the west and vise versa. We need to learn about them, they need to learn about us, and there must be respect and tolerance on both sides of this "holy war" for it to ever come to an end.

T Bone some of the American ideas and values aggravate the rest of the West let alone our muslim brethren.

Your hopes of education and dialogue coupled with understanding is laudable. May respect and tolerance bring the end to this terror

[thx1138]

The following story was published in Asia Times, 8 April 2004.
Why was the director of Pakistani Intelligence (ISI) sending Mohamed Atta $100,000. Not only that but the middle man was Saeed Sheikh the man conviced of killing Daniel Pearl.

Cases like this is why I believe the war on terror is being supported on both sides by the same people. Problem, Reaction, and Solution.
Cause a "problem" (terrorism) by working and funding groups like Al Qaeda directly like in the 1980's or through the (ISI) like in the case of 9/11, Reaction people become scared of the evil world, and Solution..don't worry we will save you from evil Al-Qeada.

How can you win a "war on terror"? anyone?



As requested ... proof of my suspicions.


"If the 9-11 Commission is really looking for a smoking gun, it should look no further than at Lieutenant-General Mahmoud Ahmad, the director of the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) at the time. In early October 2001, Indian intelligence learned that Mahmoud had ordered flamboyant Saeed Sheikh - the convicted mastermind of the kidnapping and killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl - to wire US$100,000 from Dubai to one of hijacker Mohamed Atta's two bank accounts in Florida.... Mahmoud's involvement in September 11 might be dismissed as only Indian propaganda. But Indian intelligence swears by it, and the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has confirmed the whole story: Indian intelligence even supplied Saeed's cellular-phone numbers. Nobody has bothered to check what really happened. The 9-11 Commission should pose very specific questions about it to FBI director Robert Mueller when he testifies this month. In December 2002, Graham said he was 'surprised at the evidence that there were foreign governments involved in facilitating the activities of at least some of the [September 11] terrorists in the United States ... It will become public at some point when it's turned over to the archives, but that's 20 or 30 years from now.' He could not but be referring to Pakistan and Mahmoud. If Mahmoud was really involved in September 11, this means the Pakistani ISI -'the state within the state' - knew all about it. And if the intelligence elite in Pakistan knew it, an intelligence elite in Saudi Arabia knew it, as well as an intelligence elite in the US..... On September 10, the Pakistani daily The News reported that the Mahmoud visit to the United States 'triggered speculation about the agenda of his mysterious meetings at the Pentagon and National Security Council'. If he'd been to the National Security Council, he had certainly met Rice. Mahmoud did meet with his counterpart, Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) director George Tenet. Tenet and Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage had been in Islamabad in May, when Tenet had 'unusually long' meetings with Musharraf. Armitage for his part has countless friends in the Pakistani military and the ISI. Mahmoud also met a number of high officials at the White House and the Pentagon and had a crucial meeting with Marc Grossman, the under secretary of state for political affairs. Rice maintains she did not meet Mahmoud then.... Million-dollar questions remain. Did Mahmoud know when and how the attacks of September 11 would happen? Did Musharraf know? Could the Bush administration have prevented September 11? It's hard to believe high echelons of the CIA and FBI were not aware of the direct link between the ISI and alleged chief hijacker Mohammed Atta. On October 7, Mahmoud was demoted from the ISI. By that time, Washington obviously knew of the connection between Mahmoud, Saeed Sheikh and Mohamed Atta: the FBI knew it.... as Asia Times Online has reported, Mahmoud did disappear. He lives in near seclusion in Rawalpindi....The families of September 11 victims, US public opinion, the demonized Islamic world, the whole world for that matter, all everybody wants to know is what really happened on September 11.... The genie - the crucial information - is still in the bottle. "

[billybobama]

The front page of my News Paper today. "DAY OF DEATH IN MIDEAST". No one should be surprised that more and more Moslims are volunteering to be terrorists.

[Trotsky]

Quote by: tinybear Hey, did you hear what one of these guys said? "Those who cure you are also those who kill you". Does that send a shiver down your spine or what?

That was said to military intel guys in Iraq who were interrogating an insurgent suspect.

[billybobama]

Quote by: tinybear It just goes to show how dangerous religious fanatical indoctrination is. It affects not only the poor, the hopeless and uneducated, but also middle-class, well-educated professional people.

Tinybear - Could it possibly be that we are committing mass-murder in the Middle East. Just a thought.

[GHook93]

Quote by: billybobama The front page of my News Paper today. "DAY OF DEATH IN MIDEAST". No one should be surprised that more and more Moslims are volunteering to be terrorists.

Yea, but this is mostly Muslim Arabs killing other Muslim Arabs. We unjustifiably destabilized Iraq no doubt, but the vast majority of the dead are killed by Arabs.

It is the true democrat line, to take the blame off the terrorist and place it on the victims!

[xyzer]

T Bone some of the American ideas and values aggravate the rest of the West let alone our muslim brethren.

Arawn..
If this is the mindset of the Islamic world, there can never be complete peace with any who don't believe in the words in the Kuran? Or even those who do believe but are from a different sect? Or those whose idea of perfection is to have everyone else believe and live in the same pattern? We are human beings with different experiences, beliefs and desires. We live in different environments and under different conditions. To postulate that harmony will only come if everybody believes in the same dogma is madness..unrealistic in the extreme! It forecasts doom and death.

An example, Muslim fanatic terrorists killing people(women and children) of their own faith by the thousands(in Iraq) as a so called expression of a faith and ostensibly making the world a better place to live boggles the mind? Blowing up innocents to make a point transcends belief for many of us. It doesn't cure anything except possibly salve the conscience of people with innocent blood on their hands.

Does it not make sense to better ones own life and the lives of those around you? To not worry about what some other person or country did or is doing at any particular time? Not worry about what goes on in aniother country or world thousands of miles distant? Our life spans are too short for this nonsense and we don't really know what lies beyond that, do we?