Blazing car rammed into Glasgow airport

[Hmm]

Blazing car rammed into Glasgow airport - CNN.com

LONDON, England (CNN) -- A burning car has been driven into the terminal building of Glasgow Airport in Scotland. Police and witnesses described an SUV-style vehicle in flames being driven at full speed towards the building. The incident comes with the UK already on alert for terror attacks a day after two cars loaded with explosives were discovered in London. An eyewitness at the airport speaking to a British TV network said there appeared to be injuries. Images showed black smoke and flames rising from the vehicle just outside the building. Sirens could be heard in the background. A witness told Sky News that a man had fled from the car as it struck the building and been immediately wrestled to the ground by police. Police said two people had been arrested, The Associated Press reported. "The jeep is completely on fire and it exploded not long after. It exploded at the entrance to the terminal," one witness, Stephen Clarkson, told the BBC. "It may have been an explosion of petrol in the tank because it was not a massive explosion." Airport authorities said the airport had been evacuated and all flights suspended. In London police were examining the two cars and studying CCTV footage for clues about the identities of those behind a suspected terrorist plot that could have killed hundreds. Officers have a "crystal clear" CCTV image of a man "staggering" from the first car after parking it outside a West End nightclub, ABC News in the United States reported. Scotland Yard refused to comment. New Prime Minister Gordon Brown went to Scotland Yard on Saturday morning for an update on the investigation from senior police. A Downing Street spokesman told the Press Association: "It was a private meeting. Mr. Brown was briefed on the current security situation and thanked frontline staff."

[Nono]

Glasgow? Maybe the driver had simply had a few too many.

Otherwise, the Brown era will have been ushered in by a terrorist act in Scotland.

[jose]

i´ll wait for more info, at the moment we have a jeep that crashes at 30 mph into a bollard and catches fire
good job they wern´t driving a ford pinto

[Nono]

Yes, I just heard an eyewitness being interviewed on the Beeb. Sounds like a full-scale attack by the Keystone Cops.

[rmnunez]

I'm astonished posters are suggesting this proliferation of car bombs in Britain is either some sort of joke or a ploy by the government for whatever ulterior motives. I think we've exagerated the magnitude of the terrorist threat and this furthers particular agendas, but that terrorists themselves are no better than bungling idiots themselves. I don't see them as careful and deliberate thinkers who've carefully been groomed for the awful role they are committed to perform. Their weapons have become better but not their coordination. Commitment to whatever cause works against excessive care as some haste must propel their senseless pursuits as the growing police state monitors their conduct and communication. Britain may well be harvesting a crop of carbombs as an emerging generation of apparently rather clumsy Islamic fundamentalists are recruited to their fanatical cause.

[thx1138]

It's MI5/C.I.A. at work again.

Did anyone read the report this week on the papers released by the C.I.A. or how about Project Northwoods. Google Project Northwood and read it. this is the link...
We should not be fooled by news like this it's just another way of scaring people. Yes the attack was real but who was behind it? who has the most to gain by this? the same people who make the law and want to put CTV cameras on all the streets. London has 4+ million cameras watching citizens. Do you want the same?

[tinybear]

I hardly think Gordon Brown would want his Premiership to be ushered in by an incident like this. This looks like a genuine terrorist strike, albeit somewhat amateurish.

[thx1138]

Do you think Gordon Brown is in control of the MI5?
That's like thinking George W. Bush is in charge of the C.I.A. (his father has more pull then his son with the C.I.A.).

I do agree this attack was very amateurish. It's more likely that moles within the Islamic groups in the U.K. are helping to motivate them to try half thought out attacks like this. Compared to 9/11 this was very amateurish, but the affect is the same, fear.

Much like the F.B.I informates that "helped" stop the Miami seven and the JFK airport plot earlier this year. In both those cases they find groups that do hate the government, but don't have the money nor skill to pull of a major attack. The FBI or CIA planets an informate that will supply the group with money, guns, and most of all a plan. This informate records all communication with the group to use as evidence later. But there is a word for this.. it's called entrapment.

The luring by a law-enforcement agent of a person into committing a crime.

I'm sure MI5 is doing the same in the U.K.

Already Giuliani is citing this as a reason for him to be elected.

[rmnunez]

Behind the notion of entrapment is the idea that, but for the intervention by covert agents and informants urging the wrongdoers on, nothing unlawful would have taken place. Is this your theory? Do you think if law enforcement never used undercover agents or informants its less likely terrorists planning attacks would ever carry them out?

[Jack]

I don't think we can say too much generally about terrorists. No doubt there are small groups of poor, incompetent malcontents who will have to resort to using whatever's at hand to make ther statement. Car bombs and human body-bombs don't have to be very sophisticated and can often be assembled with products found in any hrdware store.

But there are conceivably other cells, more sophisticated and better financed, who will bide their time planning and training for their next move. These cells would be the truly dangerous on a grand scale. But the other groups are just as deadly on a more limited scale.

[thx1138]

Quote by: rmnunez Behind the notion of entrapment is the idea that, but for the intervention by covert agents and informants urging the wrongdoers on, nothing unlawful would have taken place. Is this your theory? Do you think if law enforcement never used undercover agents or informants its less likely terrorists planning attacks would ever carry them out?

Yes.
For example...
Captured al-Qa'eda man was FBI spy
By David Rennie in Washington
(Filed: 23/06/2003)

The American al-Qa'eda operative unmasked last week as having planned to bring down the Brooklyn Bridge was first detained in March, and has been used by the FBI for months as a double agent, it was reported yesterday.

US authorities waited until last week to announce a plea bargain struck with Iyman Faris, a Pakistani-born lorry driver ordered to scout out terror targets, including the New York landmark.

=== and this..
The Miami Seven: How Serious Was the Threat?
Friday, Jun. 23, 2006 By TONY KARON
from TIME

The indictment accuses the men of plotting to blow up FBI offices and the Sears tower. They apparently gave the government informant, whom they believed was their Qaeda contact, photographs of FBI and other law enforcement facilities in Florida, indicating that they had done some surveillance. The indictment refers to a desire by the group's leader to attack the Sears tower, and a request for a video camera in order to conduct surveillance mission to that end, although it doesn not suggest such a mission actually took place. From the indictment it is clear that the men had no shortage of ambition, asking for al-Qaeda training to wage a "full ground war" to "kill all the devils we can." To his end, the group asked the undercover agent for a wish-list of equipment that included boots, uniforms, machine guns, bullet-proof vests, radios and vehicles — as well as $50,000 in cash.
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Now you can say well that's the FBI doing a great job on the home front, but I see it a bit different.

[Chaossaber314]

Yes. For example... Captured al-Qa'eda man was FBI spy By David Rennie in Washington (Filed: 23/06/2003) The American al-Qa'eda operative unmasked last week as having planned to bring down the Brooklyn Bridge was first detained in March, and has been used by the FBI for months as a double agent, it was reported yesterday. US authorities waited until last week to announce a plea bargain struck with Iyman Faris, a Pakistani-born lorry driver ordered to scout out terror targets, including the New York landmark.

So he was an informant. Since when was the use of informants entrapment by any stretch of the imagination?

The Miami Seven: How Serious Was the Threat? Friday, Jun. 23, 2006 By TONY KARON from TIME The indictment accuses the men of plotting to blow up FBI offices and the Sears tower. They apparently gave the government informant, whom they believed was their Qaeda contact, photographs of FBI and other law enforcement facilities in Florida, indicating that they had done some surveillance. The indictment refers to a desire by the group's leader to attack the Sears tower, and a request for a video camera in order to conduct surveillance mission to that end, although it doesn not suggest such a mission actually took place. From the indictment it is clear that the men had no shortage of ambition, asking for al-Qaeda training to wage a "full ground war" to "kill all the devils we can." To his end, the group asked the undercover agent for a wish-list of equipment that included boots, uniforms, machine guns, bullet-proof vests, radios and vehicles — as well as $50,000 in cash.

Once more, if they asked the undercover agent and not vice versa, it's very clearly not entrapment.

Now you can say well that's the FBI doing a great job on the home front, but I see it a bit different.

Great, you have an opinion. Now prove the entrapment claim because these stories just show the FBI blowing things out of proportion to make it look as though they're doing a lot more than they are. However, they're not showing the concept you repeatedly keep using.

[thx1138]

CHERRY HILL, N.J. (AP) - He railed against the United States, helped scout out military installations for attack, offered to introduce his comrades to an arms dealer, and gave them a list of weapons he could procure, including machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades.

These were not the actions of a terrorist, but of a paid FBI informant who helped bring down an alleged plot by six Muslim men to massacre U.S. soldiers at New Jersey's Fort Dix.

And those actions have raised questions of whether the government crossed the line and pushed the six men down a path they would not have otherwise followed.

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They used entrappment in the past with the program COINTELPRO (Counter Intelligence Program).

In the Final Report of the Select Committee COINTELPRO was castigated in no uncertain terms: "Many of the techniques used would be intolerable in a democratic society even if all of the targets had been involved in violent activity, but COINTELPRO went far beyond that...the Bureau conducted a sophisticated vigilante operation aimed squarely at preventing the exercise of First Amendment rights of speech and association, on the theory that preventing the growth of dangerous groups and the propagation of dangerous ideas would protect the national security and deter violence.

COINTELPRO - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You may want to read "
SUPPLEMENTARY DETAILED STAFF REPORTS
ON INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES AND THE
RIGHTS OF AMERICANS"
COINTELPRO: The FBI's Covert Action Programs Against American Citizens, Final Report of the Senate Committee to Study Governmental Operations with respect to Intelligence Activities, Book III

If you don't want to read you can watch a nice video about Cointerlpro on google video... COINTELPRO: FBI's War On Black America **(HIGH QUALITY)**

[xyzer]

ish..I agree with your general take but this throws me?

don't think we can say too much generally about terrorists. No doubt there are small groups of poor, incompetent malcontents who will have to resort to using whatever's at hand to make ther statement. Car bombs and human body-bombs don't have to be very sophisticated and can often be assembled with products found in any hrdware store.

The latest implicates two British Doctors as part of the cell that undertook the Glascow incident? Thie suggest that these are not "poor,incompetent malcontents"? These crazies come in all shapes and forms and are a definite threat to the west but really to any who live around them. You may be right that they have split into small groups for action but generally the terrorist occupation is respected by fellow Muslims and even condoned by the Church(religion) itself. Attacks(jihads) against non believers are the backbone of the movement? Such actions are contained in the Kuran? To me this is war and can't be brushed aside or rationalized.

[rmnunez]

Britain moving towards Political Correctness in Terrorism:

The low-key Smith also stands in contrast to her pugnacious predecessor, John Reid, whose tough talk on terrorism was sometimes criticized for inflaming ethnic and religious tensions. In a speech to lawmakers Monday, Smith called terrorists "criminals whose victims come from all walks of life, communities and religious backgrounds." Brown has spoken of "al-Qaida" attackers but not of "Islamic" or "Muslim" terrorists.

The new government’s more sober and lower key response is a welcome relief from bombastic Blair’s barkings.

Instead of announcing new anti-terror legislation—as Blair and Reid did after the July 7 bombings—Brown has said he wants to work with opposition politicians to build a consensus on what steps to take. "This is not the time for rushing into new legislation," said Brown's official spokesman, Michael Ellam. There is evidence the public approves of Brown's cautious approach. Britons Cheer Brown for Attacks Response

On the diversity of terrorists’ communities and religious backgrounds the evidence differs:

An al-Qaeda leader in Iraq boasted before last week’s failed bombings in London and Glasgow that his group was planning to attack British targets and that “those who cure you will kill you”, The Times has learnt. The warning was delivered to Canon Andrew White, a senior British cleric working in Baghdad, and could be highly significant as the eight Muslims arrested in the wake of the failed plot are all members of the medical profession. ‘Those who cure you will kill you’ - Times Online

I suppose the critical lefties will note the doctors’ involvement highlights the diversity in the Islamic fundamentalist community, which welcomes both the affluent and trained abroad alongside the uneducated and unemployed, both equally frustrated with the united statian excesses.

The move to be more PC in terrorist reporting in the US:

Conservative syndicated columnist and author Cal Thomas is under fire for comments deemed by the Council on American-Islamic Relations to express "Islamophobic attitudes." Discussing the weekend’s UK terror plots, Thomas compared some Muslims to a “slow spreading cancer.” CNS reports that CAIR is urging supporters to call DC radio station WTOP-AM to “express your concerns.” CAIR described the Thomas comments as “incitement.” The message included the name and work number of a radio station executive. Breitbart.tv » Columnist Under Fire for Anti-Islam Comments

Should we be refocusing the US-led initiative to a more domestic law enforcement and expressive conduct angle?

I still think the religious element outweights all others.

[jose]

The attack happened in the early hours of Tuesday morning
Detectives have launched an investigation after a car was rammed into a shop and then set alight.

The incident happened in the north-eastern part of Glasgow in the early hours of Tuesday morning.

An Asian newsagent's shop in the Riddrie area was left a burned out shell after the attack.
BBC NEWS | UK | Scotland | Glasgow and West | Police probe attack on Asian shop
Scots:)

[thx1138]

MI5, MI6, FBI, and CIA support groups like Islamic fundamentalists, IRA, and many leftist groups as well as their opposition.

Their goal is to create a problem which results in the public reacting in fear, and then offer to help solve the problem they indirectly caused. Problem, Reaction, and Solution. CNN, BBC, FOX, NBC, ABC, and world media in general helps in this by bombarding viewers with these stories.

[xyzer]

thx posts...

Their goal is to create a problem which results in the public reacting in fear, and then offer to help solve the problem they indirectly caused. Problem, Reaction, and Solution. CNN, BBC, FOX, NBC, ABC, and world media in general helps in this by bombarding viewers with these stories.

Huh? I thought their goal was to ferret out terrorists and anticipate their actions? Don't give us the "its not really the terrorists fault argument", and then follow it by trying to somehow show some sort of victim status to murdersers of the innocent?

That indirect consequences hound wont hunt! It doesn't make any sense...

[thx1138]

"its not really the terrorists fault argument"

The people they duke into pulling off these capers are at fault, I never said they weren't. I'm sure they honestly feel they are acting for their cause.

"show some sort of victim status to murdersers of the innocent?"
They are not victims they do kill. They are evil, but what supports them is even more evil.

This video shows some of the good work done by the backers of these groups... Secrets of the CIA

"I thought their goal was to ferret out terrorists and anticipate their actions? " That's a good one!

[Matt W]

Quote by: rmnunez Britain moving towards Political Correctness in Terrorism

I wouldn't call it political correctness, more political common sense. You don't go accusing a large minority of your consituents of having the same motivation as fanatics from the Middle East.