CIA to reveal decades of misdeeds

[Milton Bradley]

Hmmm, thanks Scibbler.


I hope perusing that document helps to illustrate to many of you, why some of us have issues with our current government.


I won't be surprised to see some out there inching ever closer to my extreme position.

[Scribbler1]

But all this means is that we (and the world) now know what this agency has done in the past. I personally see it as a dangerous and damaging bit of misdirection.

I see nothing in it to indicate they don't STILL break every law they come up against.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Scribbler1 But all this means is that we (and the world) now know what this agency has done in the past. I personally see it as a dangerous and damaging bit of misdirection.

In any case, we should greet the very existence of the CIA with put downs and anger.

Grandpa h.

[Scribbler1]

No. We should accept the necessity of spies as a normal way of doing business. It's not like we're the only country with spooks, and I doubt they would shut THEIR operations down if we scrapped the CIA.

What we SHOULD do, is the same as we should be doing with all the OTHER governmental operations, and that is to ensure these operations are properly run. This means to stop electing goofballs like Bush just because he's a likable guy, and to focus on credentials and past records.

[thx1138]

"The entity that evolved into the CIA in that era would have been the OSI, or the OSS. ( Sharing nomenclature with the Nazis . )"

Many Nazis were hired by the OSS/CIA after WWII because of thier information on the U.S.S.R. Gestapo chief Henrich Muller is one who worked for the CIA after WWII many Japanese as well.

When Germany invaded the U.S.S.R. in WWII thier occupied Leningrad (Saint Petersburg) from September 8, 1941 to January 27, 1944, a total of 29 months. All the government buildings were sacked for information.
That was information the CIA wanted, If they had to turn a blind eye to the evils that the Nazis did, it was a small price to pay.

You can read about this on the BBC's web site.. just do a search for "CIA admits employing Nazis".

[grandpa]

Quote by: Scribbler1 No. We should accept the necessity of spies as a normal way of doing business.

I don't find it particularly normal.

Grandpa h.

[Scribbler1]

It's not up to you or I to dictate what's "normal." It's part of the way we protect ourselves from foreign nations.

[thx1138]

The nation should protect itself from foreign as well as domestic enemies.
The CIA has pulled some of the most heinous crimes aganist foreign nations in the past and to this day. Their actions in Southeast Asia, South America and the Middle East has made the U.S. less safe and always ends in disaster. Now if that is the "normal" way of operating then their doing a bang up job.
here is a nice recap of some of that ....Secrets of the CIA

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: thx1138 Now if that is the "normal" way of operating then their doing a bang up job.

I addressed that previously. We NEED to have a competent intelligence agency. Contrary to the popular, knee-jerk idea of throwing out the baby with the bathwater, as in dismantling the CIA, we need to have dedicated, smart and competent people in the government to do their jobs. NOT witless, half-assed political appointees to run and oversee the agency so that it does what it is supposed to do, and does that legally.

But no, the idiot sheep are too focused on who we personally LIKE and who runs the cleverest TV ads to think about competency. The CIA is like anything else in Washington. It doesn't do what it wants. It does what it's told, and we need to work on the ones who TELL them what to do.

[Gabe2007]

Quote by: rez Since America is such an honest and pure country, then the CIA has nothing bad to hide. So there should be no problems releasing all the good deeds that our country has done for other countries.

what are you going to do with the info you get from the CIA?

send them to an international court of justice thousands of miles away so tht they can talk them to death about what is morally right and wrong...:rolleyes:

the CIA is a clandestine agency...not a "tell-everybody-what-the-hell-we-are-doing" agency...

they are spies for crying out loud! they are supposed to be secret....

and what's this thing about the "horrible" things the some papers say the CIA tried to do...everybody gets angry about the fact that the CIA tried to assassinate Castro...why?

the guy is like a mini-Me of Mussolini !! stop thinking about the notorious leader and think about the victims his "leadership" has wrought.

[ZNFYRH]

The CIA is releasing its information to dissociate itself from the current administration.

No shit... it's slowly being decided that it is better to look trustworthy in the eyes of America, even if it's for 30-50 year old information, and better villainize the Executive branch.

Look carefully enough and you can see that the Bush Administration as done a fine job of ignoring and otherwise pissing in the faces of the NSA, CIA, and FBI recently. Sure they pass some stuff that helps them, but they sure don't listen to them.

[rmnunez]

Baloney, this is a routine and continuous practice; as confidential information ages its disclosure loses national security threatening qualities so the need to keep it secret is lost and the stuff gets disclosed. The redacted bits are there because release of that particular information is still threatening.

[thx1138]

Project MKULTRA
"On the Senate floor in 1977, Senator Ted Kennedy said:

The Deputy Director of the CIA revealed that over thirty universities and institutions were involved in an 'extensive testing and experimentation' program which included covert drug tests on unwitting citizens 'at all social levels, high and low, native Americans and foreign.' Several of these tests involved the administration of LSD to 'unwitting subjects in social situations.' At least one death, that of Dr. Olson, resulted from these activities. The Agency itself acknowledged that these tests made little scientific sense. The agents doing the monitoring were not qualified scientific observers.[4]"

The CIA had no problems with testing drugs on U.S. citizens in the past, so what kind of crap are they doing today in the field of mind-control research.

[rmnunez]

Mind control, subliminal messages in public announcements, using certain colours on public buildings devices or backgrounds to influence moods?

[Praxius]

I just see this report as yet another method of misdirecting the publics attention from the normal problems we're all pissed about today. Everything I've heard in the run down of what they are releasing is nothing new to me.

I have heard and read all kinds of reports and "Conspiracy theories" that related to pretty much everyone of the things listed.... in other words, they're not giving up anything new.... they're just confirming things that most know or believe, and they're doing it now, because it's all irrelevant now, most in power at those times are either dead, or no longer in power to do anything..... so it's not gonna hurt them any.

All it's doing is just giving comfirmation on things we all knew before, that they denied in the past. The LSD tests, the assasination attempts, etc.... all old news. The only big deal I see here, is the fact that they are actually admitting to things now, that they refused to admit to in the past..... so what does that tell you?

[grandpa]

Quote by: Scribbler1 It's not up to you or I to dictate what's "normal." It's part of the way we protect ourselves from foreign nations.

Actually, that is up to you or I. And we should protect ourselve sfrom ALL nations.

Grandpa h.

Quote by: grandpa Actually, that is up to you or I. . Grandpa h.

... you or me ...

Courtesy of the grammatically-anal,

S.

P.S. Should anal retentive have a hyphen?

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: rmnunez Mind control, subliminal messages in public announcements, using certain colours on public buildings devices or backgrounds to influence moods?

Well, ask yourself this, what was the first thing Saddam targeted upon invading Kuwait? Twas the radio station if I remember correctly.


The funny thing is, I remember asking myself what the tactical advantage of taking out that radio station when I saw the footage. :(

[rmnunez]

Radio and any other means of communications are essential targets to be destroyed or seized in a military attack, its a basic first step to secure a means to convey instructions to the conquered and must be a tool denied the conquered government.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Well, ask yourself this, what was the first thing Saddam targeted upon invading Kuwait? Twas the radio station if I remember correctly. The funny thing is, I remember asking myself what the tactical advantage of taking out that radio station when I saw the footage. :(

Yeah Nez beat me to this....

Cutting off the line of communications for your enemy is key to adding control over your enemy. Without radio or other communications, the civilian population will have limited methods of contacting their own government, causing confusion and disarray. This also helps reduce propaganda by your enemy on their own people against you and your own forces.

If the people can not get information, or addiquate amount, then it would be easy for you and your own forces to impliment your own propaganda. Depending on how good you are at doing it, you can easily make the population think they have lost and that their forces are already destroyed, making it easier to defeat the populace, if they already think they are defeated.

When you control the media and information going in and out of a country, you have a lot more flexibility in how you wish to proceed.

The Germans did this quite often..... of course they were pretty crappy at their translations and actually sounding solid with their propaganda, but they did do this to a degree of success.