Iraq becomes prime training ground for export of Jihadists

[billybobama]

Quote by: grandpa So this Administration is filled with people linked to oil companies, yet you don't think oil is at the heart of the issue? Please explain this. Grandpa h.

Always remember it is not the oil. It is the profit from the oil. Take the profit out of oil and the Iraq War ends.

[rmnunez]

There are plenty of people not at all linked to oil in the Bush administration, whats in it for them? And aren't we all "linked to oil" somehow (by car, electricity, wearing nylon, using plastic...)?

[Matt W]

Not seen what the Aussies have said recently, rmnunez? I'm sure it's still on the first page....

Edit:- Here you are...

Australia 'has Iraq oil interest'

[inthemiddle]

i dont know about you, but I consider good cheap access to oil to be a matter of national security.

You antiwar people are always talking no blood for oil, but the second oil prices climb above 3.90 $ a gallon you start to complain about price gouging and how unfair that is

then when oil companies try to lower the prices by building new refineries or drilling in new spots, most of you all whine about destroying the environment.

Its lose lose.

I guess you will all be happy when America's government decides it no longer wants to be the world biggest and most wealthy superpower, huh?

What will you say when our standards begin to fall, and some other country with a governemnt full of leaders with enough chones decides to tell us what to do and we have to listen.

then you'll all have to eat your words

[rmnunez]

it was "stretching it a bit" to conclude that Australia's Iraq involvement was motivated by oil

An "interest" need not be the motivation. I've already noted that the presence of oil in Iraq and dependence on this vital resource plays a role, just not the leading role critical lefties maintain. As I've also previously indicated, Iraqi oil has never been more than about 8.5% of US foreign oil imports.

[Clarence]

Inthemiddle is an extremist. and I think I might recognoze the style. Notice how he speaks to us collectively with obvious preconception and Yet so few posts.

you'll eat those words!! You Hear me?!! YOU HEAR ME?Gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!...

on topic. Iraq is a training ground for terrorists and a cesspool of deadly contageous pain and fear.

[billybobama]

Quote by: rmnunez There are plenty of people not at all linked to oil in the Bush administration, whats in it for them? And aren't we all "linked to oil" somehow (by car, electricity, wearing nylon, using plastic...)?

Oil is fine but do you realize you are paying for it several times. Your taxes are paying for this rediculous Iraq War and we lost it. Yet you will still have to pay for the oil and the war plus Big Oils profits. You have been taken to the cleaners and the Bush Crime Family is laughing all the way to their off shore accounts. You don't think the Bush Crime Family is goint to pay taxes on the money they stole from you do you?

[inthemiddle]

Quote by: Clarence Inthemiddle is an extremist. and I think I might recognoze the style. Notice how he speaks to us collectively with obvious preconception and Yet so few posts. on topic. Iraq is a training ground for terrorists and a cesspool of deadly contageous pain and fear.

What I'm saying, is that once a nuclear weapon is detonated on American soil, or America has lost its standing as the leader in the world, then most of the people who were to scared to do what it took to remain in power will be the first to complain about how crappy thatl is.

And do you know whats funny, is that I'm not an extremist. I was against the Iraq war, I think it is one of the biggest blunders in US history to go in there in the first place.

I think George Bush and his administration is one of the worst things to happen to this country in a long time.

I'm all for Ron Paul and his non interventionist ideals, and I'm convinced they would have worked had he been elected years ago and we stuck to those principles.

The difference between me and most of you, is that I can see past the fact that the Iraq war was wrong from the beginning, and I can understand that just because we were wrong once does not mean that we are necesarrily wrong the second time with Iran.

I can recognize an actual threat.

I think the problem is that this administration, and this current war has dissilusioned people into believing that force should never be used and diplomacy is always the best answer.

As a reader of history, I can tell you all right now that diplomacy does not always work.

And with Iran, our best chance of stopping a nuclear attack is to act now before its too late.

I've seen death to America chants in Iran, their government hates us, and unless that government is somehow limited, or overthrown either from within or someway else, it spells disaster for the moderm world.

[banko]

Perhaps you should listen to Ron Paul when he states that the reason most of the middle east hates americans is because of the past 50 or so years of foriegn policy that has the US trying to subvert governments, funding guerilla wars, arming people, and installing governments like Saddam. If the US were to keep their noses out of there and let them do what they want then they probably wouldn't hate the US so much.

[grandpa]

Quote by: billybobama Terrorism worldwide has exploded under the Republicans and the Bush Administration. It is almost like that is the mission of the Republican Party, to increase Terrorism as much as possible.

Syria and Iran have a history of collaboration with terrorists, but so does the United States (when it's not directly engaged in terrorism itself).

Grandpa h.

[grandpa]

Quote by: billybobama Always remember it is not the oil. It is the profit from the oil.

I suppose that's true.

Grandpa h.

[grandpa]

Quote by: rmnunez There are plenty of people not at all linked to oil in the Bush administration, whats in it for them? And aren't we all "linked to oil" somehow (by car, electricity, wearing nylon, using plastic...)?

So because some politicians aren't directly linked to it, and because oil can be useful, it isn't a major factor (if not the major factor) in the war? I'm not sure I quite get it. As for any who aren't directly linked with oil, I'm sure they are linked with soem other aspect of the military/industrial/prison/religion complex.

I highly recommend you look into "American Theocracy" by Kevin Phillips :
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Grandpa h.