US House passes gun control bill

[ZNFYRH]

Quote by: Autolykos You expect me to know what "the best way" is? Come on, now. How should I know?

Well, your comments in this thread have followed the derailed track about DUI laws and haven't stuck to the topic.

Then I saw this single line in one of your posts on this thread:

Any effort to legislate against risk is pointless, IMO.

Do you think it pointless to pass legislation to prevent a mentally unstable, depressed sociopath from acquiring a handgun based on the potential risk?

[ZNFYRH]

banko

Technically, yes, preventing any American citizen from ownership of a firearm violates the 2nd Amendment.

[Autolykos]

Quote by: ZNFYRH Do you think it pointless to pass legislation to prevent a mentally unstable, depressed sociopath from acquiring a handgun based on the potential risk?

Yes.

- Rob

[ZNFYRH]

Why?

[Autolykos]

I have already answered that question elsewhere.

- Rob

[improvident]

Yes and no.. i think the constitution was written.. in hopes that common sense.. would also be commonly used.. also one must take into account.. that technology has created better and more efficient killing weapons..when the constitution was written.. flint lock non rifled muzzle loaded rifles and pistols where all that was around.. thats 1 min. per shot.. if your well trained..(trust me i did civil war reenactments.. you CAN NOT load a muzzle loader and aim a shot in under 45 sec. i dont care who you are) therefor.. if someone who didnt need to have a weapon decided he wanted to shoot something up.. someone else with a gun shot him.. yes.. sometimes killing someone is justifiable (zomg!!!) But now.. we have semi and fully automatic weapons of all different caliber and size one man.. trained or not can walk in somewhere with 2 weapons hand gun or rifle.. and kill anywhere from 1 to say.. 50 people in a min or less.. so minor revisions imo are needed and allowable

[The Decider]

Quote by: Autolykos You expect me to know what "the best way" is? Come on, now. How should I know? - Rob

But the National Rifle Association knows; their support for this bill was critical for its passage. They love guns and a strict constructionist reading of the Second Amendment. According to the NRA, when medical doctors diagnose mental illness, the patient's name goes into a gun-buyer registry until the patient is cured. The NRA wouldn't lie to us, would they?

Come on, pro-gunners, are you gonna let the NRA off the hook?

[Autolykos]

Quote by: The Decider But the National Rifle Association knows; their support for this bill was critical for its passage. They love guns and a strict constructionist reading of the Second Amendment. According to the NRA, when medical doctors diagnose mental illness, the patient's name goes into a gun-buyer registry until the patient is cured. The NRA wouldn't lie to us, would they? Come on, pro-gunners, are you gonna let the NRA off the hook?

What does this have to do with me? I said nothing about the NRA, and I don't care about them.

- Rob

[ZNFYRH]

Quote by: Autolykos I have already answered that question elsewhere.

You didn't answer it in this thread on this topic.

You have a mentally unstable, depressed sociopath who wants a gun.

Why is it pointless to have a law preventing him from getting one?

[Autolykos]

Quote by: ZNFYRH You didn't answer it in this thread on this topic. You have a mentally unstable, depressed sociopath who wants a gun. Why is it pointless to have a law preventing him from getting one?

I'll bite for the time being.

He could still obtain one illegally, then, couldn't he?

- Rob

[The Decider]

Quote by: banko A quick question about the 2nd amendment. Doesn't it violate a person's constitutional rights to have any sort of gun control? I mean the amendment doesn't say that ex-cons can't own them, or that insane people can't. It states that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. So isn't any gun control measure infringing upon that right?

The Second Amendment contains an important precondition to gun ownership---"a well-regulated militia." Do militias or armies employ medically diagnosed mental patients? Do they all ex-convicts to join? "Well regulated" means capable and trained gun owners. I don't think George Washington and Thomas Jefferson foresaw a Second Amendment right for Charlie Manson and the VA Tech murderer.

[improvident]

i wouldn't say pointless...yes the person in question may obtain one illegally.. but to get that.. he is going to have to work on it.. he cant just go to his local gun store and buy it..

I take it as an inconvenience law.. you can still get it.. but in order for you to get it.. your going to have to go through some trouble

[Autolykos]

Quote by: improvident i wouldn't say pointless...yes the person in question may obtain one illegally.. but to get that.. he is going to have to work on it.. he cant just go to his local gun store and buy it.. I take it as an inconvenience law.. you can still get it.. but in order for you to get it.. your going to have to go through some trouble

Right, because there's no such thing as a black-market arms dealer.

- Rob

[Osborn F Enready]

ZNYFRH said: Since you seem to be against laws,

I am not against law, I am against un-necessary laws and unconstitutional laws.

ZNYFRH said: tell me what the best way would be to prevent a mentally unstable depressed sociopath from acquiring handguns.

Recognizing this problem BEFORE they become adults, and having responsible people (family, friends, neighbors, employers, etc) take action when evidence becomes clear.

This wasn't designed to be a "nanny state".

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: The Decider Come on, pro-gunners, are you gonna let the NRA off the hook?

No, I was bitching them out on page one of this thread, but you dismissed it jokingly as "what, they have an anti-gun agenda".


Obviously when any political lobbying group is so quick to jump into bed with politicians in Washington it concerns some of us. ( And no, I don't belong to NRA. )


To me, the NRA seems morre concerned with hunters rights than with honoring the words of the second amendment which proclaim "arms", not hunting rifles.

[improvident]

Quote by: Autolykos Right, because there's no such thing as a black-market arms dealer. - Rob

cause we live in GTA now.. and on the corner of every block you can find your trusty handy dandy black market arms dealer..

[Osborn F Enready]

Decider said: But the National Rifle Association knows; their support for this bill was critical for its passage. They love guns and a strict constructionist reading of the Second Amendment. According to the NRA, when medical doctors diagnose mental illness, the patient's name goes into a gun-buyer registry until the patient is cured. The NRA wouldn't lie to us, would they?

Yes, they would, and have been for quite some time.

Decider said: Come on, pro-gunners, are you gonna let the NRA off the hook?

Never have before, don't see a reason to now.

[Autolykos]

Quote by: improvident cause we live in GTA now.. and on the corner of every block you can find your trusty handy dandy black market arms dealer..

I'm sure they're not much harder to find than drug dealers.

- Rob

[The Decider]

Quote by: Autolykos What does this have to do with me? I said nothing about the NRA, and I don't care about them.

OK, perhaps some gun-owner at Volconvo does care about this nation's preeminent pro-gun lobby's support for this bill. Unqualified support. Without it, the bill would have died.

Any NRA members out there with an opinion?

[The Decider]

Quote by: Milton Bradley No, I was bitching them out on page one of this thread, but you dismissed it jokingly as "what, they have an anti-gun agenda".

I didn't see you mention the NRA, only Congress.