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Jun 11, 2007, 08:48 pm
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| Navy Veteran  Location: Texas Posts: 6,031 | British Court Finds Muslim Father Guilty of Murdering Daughter FOXNews.com - British Court Finds Muslim Father Guilty of Murdering Daughter in 'Honor Killing' - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News Quote:
But no in Islam! I want to see so called MODERATES out protesting this shit, and doing something PRO-ACTIVE to stop it.  Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route? | |
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Jun 11, 2007, 09:42 pm
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| technę  Posts: 2,544 | Quote:
This story is just like any other story of a human who murders another human, whatever reasons they use. If you want to use this story to fuel your hatred for Muslims then go ahead, but it only shows how shallow and misinformed your character is. You are a product of the news trying to sell a story that is equivalent to a day time soap opera and you don't even know it. How about you go read a book about Arab behavior before you go make such board generalizations. Maybe start with "The war for Muslim minds" or "The venture of Islam". Let's see if you are capable of critically thinking about such a complicated topic for more then 10 minutes. [i]"One objection that many critics have is the problem of logistics. However, with technologically advanced aircraft at His disposal, transportation for Jesus was NEVER a problem ---- loser | |
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Jun 12, 2007, 12:46 am
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 Hot Lava Posts: 1,660 | Quote:
From the BBC: "Scotland Yard believe there were 12 'honour killings' in the UK last year and said they were not restricted to Muslims, but also occurred in Sikh and Christian families." BBC NEWS | UK | England | London | 'Honour killing' father begins sentence Sikh Honor Killings: Sikh wife's 'disgrace' sparked killing, court told | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited International Campaign Against Honour Killings › Jasvinder Sanghera: I will fight until I die to free women from forced marriages Hindu Honor Killings: Killing for `caste honour' indiavarta.com - Women's Life Thousands of Women Killed for Family "Honor" | |
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Jun 12, 2007, 07:30 am
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| Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031 | You appeasers, you cowards, you politically correct spineless fiends. I am not islamaphobic. I am sick of RADICAL ISLAM and sick of the people that make excuses for it. Well, we know two people here who care more about not offending the "Muslims" then they do about challenging REAL evil in this world. You both make me SICK. I don't care if you are a Muslim, a hindu, a Christian, an atheist, a devil worshiper or whatever floats your boat. When your beliefs, drive you to kill your own child over something like this.... And those that believe in the basic same "religion" you do don't come out and stomp on people that do that. I have a problem with that. And there is NOTHING WRONG WITH my stance. What's wrong here is "fearing to offend Muslims" Screw them, if they get offended by people having a problem with "Honor Killings" whose really got the problem eh? Oh and I love the moral equivalencing there "Decider". Do Christians support Honor Killings? Dot hey just shrug their shoulders and move on.... Yeah, Apples, Oranges buddy, nice try, come back when you can tell this about Good and Evil not "islamaphobia". *spit Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route? |
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Jun 12, 2007, 08:09 am
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| Igneous Magma  Location: Sweden Posts: 261 | Yea? Well im sick of people trying to equate something a muslim do with something that Islam promotes and becoming offended when someone points out that it might to be because of the religion that the event occurred. Quote:
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Jun 12, 2007, 08:14 am
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| Volcanic Erupter  Posts: 4,375 | Quote:
Just because someone murders in the name of their religion doesn't mean that their religion endorses it. | |
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Jun 12, 2007, 08:21 am
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| Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031 | I never SAID the religion endorses it. But people like to use Islam to justify it, and I dare any of you to claim honor killings are not an issue in the Islamic world as a WHOLE. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route? |
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Jun 12, 2007, 08:30 am
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 4,375 | A religion is just a religion. You can dictate all of it and set it in a book and leave that book sitting there. It doesn't do anything. The interpretation of that and how someone chooses to act based on what they read is entirely up to them. Even if every Muslim on the planet committed honor killings... and even if every Muslim spiritual leader condoned honor killings... that still doesn't mean the religion itself says it should be done. |
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Jun 12, 2007, 09:23 am
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| Aristotle  Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,400 | Quote:
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Jun 12, 2007, 09:27 am
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| Aristotle Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,400 | Quote:
Killing ones child? People should kill to protect their child! | |
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Jun 12, 2007, 10:26 am
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| Iceberg Location: Connecticut Posts: 5,691 | All religions seem to me to have their fanatics and fringe lunatics. Does that mean the religion itself is fanatical and exists on the fringes of lunacy? You just can't judge any religion by the acts of a fringe minority, be it radical Muslims, Hiundus, Seiks, Christains, or whomever. The KKK uses a cross as its symbol of Christain justice, so does that mean all Christians should be painted with the KKK brush? Just as moral Christains condemn the KKK, this fellow who murdered his daughter is a slime ball that I am certain all moral Muslims would condemn as well. Brien the Iceberg If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything. M.T. |
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Jun 12, 2007, 11:28 am
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| technę Posts: 2,544 | Quote:
Again, this news is not worthy of making broad generalizations about an entire religion. This is a news story equivalent to the Anna Nicole Smith saga and nothing more. Put a tragic story with a beautiful face on the T.V. screen and watch millions of mindless drones get worked up over something that happens every day. [i]"One objection that many critics have is the problem of logistics. However, with technologically advanced aircraft at His disposal, transportation for Jesus was NEVER a problem ---- loser | |
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Jun 12, 2007, 11:40 am
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| Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031 | It's newsworthy because the kinds of killings, while quite common in the Middle East, are fairly RARE in the west. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route? |
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Jun 12, 2007, 11:55 am
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| Hot Lava Posts: 1,302 | Quote:
Any father who could ordain the death of his child because she didn't behave as he sees fit is a special sort of bastard. Any religion that espouses and practices such an action goes a long way in establishing its own illegitimacy. So just what power does Islam have to create a situation in which an action, had it been committed by, say, a Christian, and supported by Christianity, would have evoked a flood of condemnation for its misguided brutality and religious fanaticism, is so easily sloughed off if committed by a Muslim? By the way, the “you’re an ignorant xenophobe, racist, bigot, Eurocentric wanker” argument gets very old very fast. So how about you stick to the issue at hand. | |
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Jun 12, 2007, 12:18 pm
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| Hot Lava Posts: 1,302 | "Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme." (Koran, 4:34) If they continue to disobey, what do you do then? Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 63, Number 196: Narrated Abu Huraira: A man from Bani Aslam came to Allah's Apostle while he was in the mosque and called (the Prophet ) saying, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." On that the Prophet turned his face from him to the other side, whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and repeated his statement. The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side again. The man moved again (and repeated his statement) for the fourth time. So when the man had given witness four times against himself, the Prophet called him and said, "Are you insane?" He replied, "No." The Prophet then said (to his companions), "Go and stone him to death." The man was a married one. Jabir bin 'Abdullah Al-Ansari said: I was one of those who stoned him. We stoned him at the Musalla ('Id praying place) in Medina. When the stones hit him with their sharp edges, he fled, but we caught him at Al-Harra and stoned him till he died. (See also Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 63, Number 195.) Sahi Buchari: 8:6814: Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah al-Ansari: "A man from the tribe of Bani Aslam came to Allah's Messenger [Muhammad] and informed him that he had committed illegal sexual intercourse; and he bore witness four times against himself. Allah's Messenger ordered him to be stoned to death as he was a married person." Sahi Muslim No. 4206: "A woman came to the prophet and asked for purification by seeking punishment. He told her to go away and seek God's forgiveness. She persisted four times and admitted she was pregnant. He told her to wait until she had given birth. Then he said that the Muslim community should wait until she had weaned her child. When the day arrived for the child to take solid food, Muhammad handed the child over to the community. And when he had given command over her and she was put in a hole up to her breast, he ordered the people to stone her. Khalid b. al-Walid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and when the blood spurted on her face he cursed her." Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol 2. pg 1009; and Sahih Muslim Vol 2. pg 65: Islamic ethics for adultery: The Arabic word 'Zina' means all extramarital sexual intercourse between a man and a woman. According to Islam "Zina" constituted social suicide-an entire society commits suicide over time if it allows fornication and adultery to go unpunished in the Islamic style. As per Islamic justice-unmarried fornicators receive a hundred stripes, but married adulterers must die by stoning, as described in the Quran and in hadiths. Much like one should not condemn all Catholics for the actions of some small number of its priests, one need not condemn all Islan for what some small portion of its adherents do. But you can condemn those who explicitly or implicitly condone such an action by their open support for, or silence in opposition to those actions. |
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Jun 12, 2007, 12:22 pm
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| technę Posts: 2,544 | Quote:
[i]"One objection that many critics have is the problem of logistics. However, with technologically advanced aircraft at His disposal, transportation for Jesus was NEVER a problem ---- loser | |
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Jun 12, 2007, 12:31 pm
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If you want to say that this father was insane besides the fact he was religious, then you have no argument out of me. However, it seems like you want to tag the religion and culture itself as the problem, not the individual. Quote:
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The issue at hand deals with the fact that there a lot of insane people of all different cultures and races. You are letting a pretty face fuel your opinions, and that is what the news wants. [i]"One objection that many critics have is the problem of logistics. However, with technologically advanced aircraft at His disposal, transportation for Jesus was NEVER a problem ---- loser | ||||
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Jun 12, 2007, 12:40 pm
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| Volcanic Erupter  Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,017 | OK, OK, we're being told time and again that Islam does not advocate the treatment of women as inferior to men. But how true is this in practice? Take a look: Women And Islam Extract: "There is actually only one very telling verse which deals with how men are to treat their wives. But it is important to note that throughout the Koran, women are treated as inferiors to men with far fewer rights and privileges. This one verse in the Koran is very telling and contradicted everything we have been taught and shown on these television specials about how Muslim men are treating and are supposed to treat their wives. Surah 4:34 - Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Allah is high and supreme. This is a very clear and precise verse on how men are to treat their wives. It is so clear that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand it. For increased clarity, I will break the verse down into its basic statements and explain them. First, the Koran clearly states that men have authority over women for two reasons. The first of these reasons is because Allah made men superior to women. The second of these reasons is because men spend their wealth or money on the women, which I perceive as a form of slavery. In other words, women really don't have any rights the way the Muslim woman representing Woman to Woman International told us they have rights. We were clearly lied to. Second, the Koran tells us in very clear and precise words that women are to obey men or they are not good women. Again, I quote the Koran, "Good Women are obedient." That is very clear and precise in telling us that women who don't obey men are not good women and setting up a later issue. Third, the Koran makes it very clear that they are to be modest and hide their "unseen parts". This verse is very vague and can easily be interpreted from a liberal or very conservative perspective. The liberal view would be that Muhammad meant women only need to make sure their breasts and groin were covered but, everywhere throughout the Muslim world, this is being interpreted in an extremely conservative view of women being required to hide everything but their eyes and, in some cases, even their eyes. The single most significant part of this verse is the part which says, "As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them." It is very clear here that Muhammad commands Muslim men to beat their wives for disobedience but, even worse, he commands Muslim men to beat their wives if they just fear or think the wife might disobey them. We are not talking about the wife has disobeyed, is disobeying, or is even threatening to disobey the husband but we are talking about, if the husband is paranoid and thinks his wife MIGHT disobey him, she is dead meat." |
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