Extraordinary guns seized

[Praxius]

Extraordinary guns' seized

VANCOUVER - One man was arrested after police discovered a large cache of firearms, including some "extraordinary guns," in a high-rise condominium in downtown Vancouver. Insp. Bob Chapman wouldn't say how many weapons police found, but the seizure included a number of "guns we haven't seen in a while." Outside the apartment Saturday, police officers were observed removing four loads of covered equipment, including a large toolbox and a tripod. Chapman said the man was arrested Thursday after police responded to a dropped 911 call. He seemed surprised when he opened his apartment door and saw the officers, who spotted a number of firearms on a table and arrested him. Chapman said the man, who is in his 30s, is not known to police, but he had "an encounter at the border" in the past. Police spent Friday and Saturday investigating the apartment, evacuating about 40 people when they found a number of devices that may have contained explosives. Chapman said there is no indication the man was involved in a gang. Tom Routledge, who owns two suites in the building, said he has seen about 30 police officers going "in and out" of the building since Thursday. "We're all wondering what's going on, but no one seems to know," he said. Neighbour Dave Paauwe said there are a number of rental suites in the building and grow-ops aren't uncommon. "I thought this was drug-related," he said. Police said more information would be released this week.

That kinda makes you wonder why he had all those weapons?

[gr8fuldaniel]

Were any laws broken, or was he arrested for:
A) The dropped 911 call
B) "a number of devices that may have contained explosives"

Does Canada have a law against collecting "extraordinary guns" ? Were they extra ordinary because they were battleship cannons?

Its all pretty vague.

[Osborn F Enready]

More anti-gun fear in the media, before the facts even come out.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: Praxius Extraordinary guns' seized That kinda makes you wonder why he had all those weapons?

What it makes me wonder is just how does such schlock pass for reporting.

What does"extraordinary guns" and "guns we haven't seen in a while."
mean?

How are we supposed to use the non-informative, but ever so insinuating "but he had "an encounter at the border" in the past." to get a better idea of who this fellow is and what his motivations may have been?

Was he a collector? Are the "guns we haven't seen in a while." flintlocks?

This story tells us nothing. Let's see if the facts don't warrant the splash of the lead in story.

[RickSp]

These days, who knows? A bodega owner down the block from me got busted a few years aback for trying to sell Stinger missles to undercover agents. Best to wait until the facts come out, which is what the reporters should have done.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Apeman81 What it makes me wonder is just how does such schlock pass for reporting. What does"extraordinary guns" and "guns we haven't seen in a while." mean?

Chances are, from what I've experienced here in the country, is they found some out dated weapons such as Sten MK II's, V's, Bren Guns, AK-47's and other pre-80's model firearms. I would guess some heavy weapons and anti-aircraft weapons were found. I will keep a tab on this artical if more comes out soon.

How are we supposed to use the non-informative, but ever so insinuating "but he had "an encounter at the border" in the past." to get a better idea of who this fellow is and what his motivations may have been?

Usually the reporter will relate something like that if it was related to the topic at hand, ie: found firearms in his possesion at the border, etc.

Was he a collector? Are the "guns we haven't seen in a while." flintlocks?

Hmmm.... that could be.... but my father also collected a lot of dated firearms too.... however once the RCMP that he played ball with saw them, he kinda had to get rid of them.

This story tells us nothing. Let's see if the facts don't warrant the splash of the lead in story.

I can pretty much promise you that there will be plenty of this coming out either later today or tomorrow.... something like this in Canada, usually comes out quick like this, and then followed up by a more detailed article.

More anti-gun fear in the media, before the facts even come out.

It's not anti-gun fear in the media.... there are restrictions on the type of firearms you are allowed to own in Canada, unless they are no longer useable and designed for collection. Sounds like they stumbled apon someone with a large collection of functionable weaponry.

Many Pistols, Semi-Automatic, Automatics, Large Calibur, Short Barreled/Sawed Off Shotguns, etc. are no allowed for public ownership in Canada:

http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/faq/default_e.asp

[Osborn F Enready]

One of many reasons I wouldn't live in Canada.

[Praxius]

Which is?

[Osborn F Enready]

Canadas gun laws, refusal to accept and recognize individual rights, and voting to stay "under" the Queen, whether for appearances or not.

I have been to Canada (Windsor), and while I love the enviroment and the natural areas, and most of the people encountered were "friendly". I still wouldn't move to a place that had these views though.

Nothing personal here Prax, as I am sure we could play the "compare U.S.A. vs Canada" all day long, just stating my opinion since you asked me to clarify.

[nmspl]

This become a regular feature of news papers. Guns gusn everwhere . Shootings, murders and mass killing are the only reports we see now a days on the cover of any news paper.....

[Praxius]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Canadas gun laws, refusal to accept and recognize individual rights, and voting to stay "under" the Queen, whether for appearances or not. I have been to Canada (Windsor), and while I love the enviroment and the natural areas, and most of the people encountered were "friendly". I still wouldn't move to a place that had these views though. Nothing personal here Prax, as I am sure we could play the "compare U.S.A. vs Canada" all day long, just stating my opinion since you asked me to clarify.

No Worries, I wasn't trying to bait for an argument either... I was just asking for a general comment as to why.

There are plenty of individual rights, perhaps more or less then what you guys have.... we just don't reconize ownership of a weapon as a right.

And being still in the Dominion isn't really a bad thing or a good thing, it's just a way of life now.... we still are allowed to make the decisions we deem fit for our country, no longer really having to pass through the governor general these days (the GG is basically a figure head much like the queen herself) If anything us forming our country as we have with England/UK, it not only allows for easier trade, but there is a closer ally tie with them, esspecially when either side is in trouble and requires assistance, be that enviromental or military, etc.

I don't know... .I personally feel like I have a lot of freedom for what I want to do with my life, I can walk down the streets without having to worry about any random crime popping out of nowhere, I don't feel a need or desire to own a firearm for my own protection, the police actually help you for the most part, the government can be held accountable if and when they screw something up, laws towards personal issues, such as drug use, and the sort are more laxed compared to the US's laws.....

There are benifits I see living here in Canada that far outweigh anything I see in the US, however from your perspective, you could say the same thing..... it's just the culture that differs.... sure we all watch Family Guy and The Simpsons, but it's many of the small tid bits in life that make up the big differeces in how we experience our countries.

My priorities in life are Health, Education and Family..... others may say something along the lines of Carrer, Money, Health.... it's all in when, where and how you were brought up..... all your life as a US citizen, you were used to weapons of "Defense" as a part of your life..... all my life it hasn't..... we can only bounce back our experiences to one another in a never ending loop, because neither have experienced both lifestyles for a long period of time.

For example:

If you came to live here in Canada for let's say 2 - 5 years, and I went down to the US for the same amount of time. After 5 years of living naked without a firearm, and the other changes, you would see both the good and bad points of gun control...... however you'd get acustom to not having to worry about that defense aspect in your life..... a good chunk of stress would probably be gone.

Now myself.... I would be living down in the US for about 5 years, and I imagine by that time, I would own my own firearm, not because I agree with owning one for my protection, but for the sheer auroa that is around from everyond you walk by..... all my relatives who moved there and still live there claim they have themselves a firearm, because it's just the way the country "feels"..... Everybody is afraid for their own protection, because many don't have confidence in the police, so everyone has a gun, and in fearing that everyone has a gun, they need a gun......

as mentioned in the VT Gun debate, it's just the way the countries are right now.... you guys couldn't solve this problem unless you made some drastic changes to your constitution, and many are against that..... and because of the above where everyone is afraid to be the first one to put their gun down, nothing will ever change, and no system will ever work..... it's not an insult towards your country or culture.... it's just how it is right now..... and you guys just are not ready for the change.

[DEEJ85]

I live in Vancouver and remember hearing this story on the radio as well as on T.V. I haven't heard anything to add to the account though.

part of the reason it seems like a big story (at least to me) is because you don't often hear about people hording firearms like that.

with the whole "being under the Queen" thing, it doesn't affect how we live our lives at all. It is mostly by name that the Queen is involved at all. In all the local politics (that i have noticed) I have yet to see the UK or the Queen get involved in any Canadian specific issues.

Also with the guns, it is not that all guns are outlawed in Canada. Guns are restricted where you have get licensed to own a gun. Some of the most dangerous ones are outlawed outright, but do you really need an Uzi to protect your home? Isn't a more basic one all you need?

My cousin (23) owns at least 3 guns which are all legal. Many of my relatives own or have owned guns before. If you want a gun you can get one, its just that if you want one you have to put in more effort to get it.

[The Decider]

Quote by: RickSp A bodega owner down the block from me got busted a few years aback for trying to sell Stinger missles to undercover agents.

Hey, don't diss Stinger missiles. You can bag a lot of deer with just one.

[Sugar]

Yes you can , provided you can get hold of one of those stringer missiles and a herd of deers to shoot at?

[Praxius]

Quote by: DEEJ85 My cousin (23) owns at least 3 guns which are all legal. Many of my relatives own or have owned guns before. If you want a gun you can get one, its just that if you want one you have to put in more effort to get it.

That, and you just can't go walking down the street with them.

You can still hunt, still target shoot, still do what you ever did in the past with your own personal firearms, but there is a lot of things you gotta go through... basically it's like trying to get a pilot's license..... may sound like a pain in the ass, but by the end of it... you can pretty much say you're an expert from the training and the things they put you through. It's far better then just walking into a store, flashing your ID and there you go..... frig anybody can do that..... with our system you gotta be checked to reduce future problems.

Like owning a car.... or a boat, a gun is a serious thing... and you need restrictions and regulation over it to keep things safe.

If there were no laws for airplanes, and everybody could fly, anytime, anywhere, with no air control.... do you realize how many airplanes would be crashing into one another in mid air? I've studied up on it, and without the systems they have in place now, with codes, black boxes, travel paths, times and all that... without it, due to all the planes from around the world and the amount each country has, the airs would be a living nightmare.

And the right to bear arms may not apply in Canada, and we may not be able to carry a gun down the street.... but if a war came to our shores, or there was some kind of emergancy, I imagine it wouldn't take long for everyone to get what they need..... we're not totally inerpt, and we're not totally gun free..... but what we have now, does reduce the problems guns are involved in.

[shawmutt]

"extraordinary guns"



"guns we haven't seen in a while"



If I can ever get my wife (born south of the M-D line) used to the cold, we'll be going back to Canada in a heartbeat. (First generation United Statsian here, and I want out! )

[rmnunez]

Take heart shawmutt, what with global warming and all it may be you'll be homesteading up in subtropical Canada sooner than you think.

[Slevin57]

Quote by: nmspl This become a regular feature of news papers. Guns gusn everwhere . Shootings, murders and mass killing are the only reports we see now a days on the cover of any news paper.....

The news is usually relative.

And there is nothing like a horrible story to brighten your day. I mean you get up, think your job sucks, then you hear about a family who lives on welfare that just had there entire house burn down after loosing there job. Then you sip your coffee and head off to work

[medi]

Quote by: Slevin57 The news is usually relative. And there is nothing like a horrible story to brighten your day. I mean you get up, think your job sucks, then you hear about a family who lives on welfare that just had there entire house burn down after loosing there job. Then you sip your coffee and head off to work

Thats how life continues on. We read and think for a while and then take the next stride in our regular work. Unless any event is directly effecting us, most of us are not even bothered to think about the plight of the victims....

[Osborn F Enready]

Anymore news on this story Prax, or just speculation still?