Campus killer spews venom in posthumous messages

[tinybear]

Campus killer spews venom in posthumous messages - CNN.com

BLACKSBURG, Virginia (CNN) -- Cho Seung-Hui returned in video form to terrorize members of the Virginia Tech community still reeling from his deadly shooting rampage, painting himself as a persecuted martyr in a rambling and paranoid multimedia message. The campus shooting spree left 33 people dead, including Cho, who took his own life. In a videotaped message he mailed to NBC, Cho said Monday's massacre could have been avoided. "You forced me into a corner and gave me only one option," he said. One student who said she survived Cho's rampage in her German class by pretending to be dead called the images "really sick" and said he appeared to be "trying to create this image of fear."

Looks like he was a very bitter man who despised wealthy people. Were there many students from wealthy families in Virginia Tech?

[loser]

Looks like he was a very bitter man who despised wealthy people.

Sounds reasonable.

Were there many students from wealthy families in Virginia Tech?

Only upper middle-class...the wanna-be rich...the most insidious kind.

What Cho did was a senseless tragedy yet one that could have been avoided. Cho was the instrument of death but he was not the cause. Who are the real murderers, the instigators of this horrific crime? Everyone that laughed and made fun of him, that belittled and was derisive of him, that ignored and rejected him should accept just a little of the blame of this "massacre".

Yes, he was mentally ill (or, at least, disturbed). Yes, he was strange and a foreigner. No, he wasn't a "monster" and he wasn't "evil".

He was a stranger in a strange land with a desperate need to be accepted and in desperate need of a friend. As one student remarked as she recalled meeting him on the first day of school: "...he was laughable...".

I doubt that she is laughing now.

A sad story...very sad, indeed.

[Yarn]

Didn't he write revoltingly lurid poems and screen plays, and wear an expressionless face with sunglasses all the time?

All that must have made him pretty dislikable, and I haven't heard of him ever trying to make friends...

I don't know, I don't think it was the students around him's fault that he went off the deep end, though he should have been made to meet social workers. I am assuming he did not meet them, as I haven't heard about him meeting them.

[GHook93]

Quote by: loser Sounds reasonable. Only upper middle-class...the wanna-be rich...the most insidious kind. What Cho did was a senseless tragedy yet one that could have been avoided. Cho was the instrument of death but he was not the cause. Who are the real murderers, the instigators of this horrific crime? Everyone that laughed and made fun of him, that belittled and was derisive of him, that ignored and rejected him should accept just a little of the blame of this "massacre". Yes, he was mentally ill (or, at least, disturbed). Yes, he was strange and a foreigner. No, he wasn't a "monster" and he wasn't "evil". He was a stranger in a strange land with a desperate need to be accepted and in desperate need of a friend. As one student remarked as she recalled meeting him on the first day of school: "...he was laughable...". I doubt that she is laughing now. A sad story...very sad, indeed.

You really live up to your name LOSER! Every jerk-off has to account for their own actions. Wealth doesn't make you an asshole, your personality does. There are many poor assholes, as there are many generous and great rich people.

Cho is a monster, he is the cause, the blame is solely on him and I hope he is burning in hell!

Congrats you just made my ignore list and I hope the rest of volcanvo society will do the same! Insensitive prick!

[Athena]

"There but for the grace of God go I".

Mark Twain wrote something about how we are made up and sort of programmed to do what we do. People saw someone in trouble and ignored him. Maybe it isn't a good idea to ignore someone in trouble.

[natalieP]

I agree with #2. It's reported that his English teachers found his writing disturbing, one even refer him to the school counselor but never knew what was the result.
I suppose she just did not care. To her, to everybody, he's probably just one weird, pathetic student who always sat at the back of the class.
I'm not blaming the teachers or people around him for not paying attention to him. I just sympathize with him. Abuse and humiliation can really mess up a sane person's mind. If you have not been exposed to that experience, you would never understand.
Of course abuse and bad experience do not justify homicide, nobody has that right. I do think that it is not only because of the environment he's been exposed to but also some attributes in him. Nevertheless, the media should stop analyzing his mastermind but the kind of treatment he received.
More than anything, I hope discrimination would not rise against foreign students. It would only lead to other sorry stories like this.

[GHook93]

Quote by: natalieP I agree with #2. It's reported that his English teachers found his writing disturbing, one even refer him to the school counselor but never knew what was the result. I suppose she just did not care. To her, to everybody, he's probably just one weird, pathetic student who always sat at the back of the class. I'm not blaming the teachers or people around him for not paying attention to him. I just sympathize with him. Abuse and humiliation can really mess up a sane person's mind. If you have not been exposed to that experience, you would never understand. Of course abuse and bad experience do not justify homicide, nobody has that right. I do think that it is not only because of the environment he's been exposed to but also some attributes in him. Nevertheless, the media should stop analyzing his mastermind but the kind of treatment he received. More than anything, I hope discrimination would not rise against foreign students. It would only lead to other sorry stories like this.

First, it was 2 teachers. One went above and beyond this. She actually threaten to resign out of fear of him. The second teacher also stated he was disturbed and recommended that he seek help and the University forces him to seek help. Yet because of the red tape the university couldn't force him to seek assistance (although they could have kicked his butt out of school).

Second, vast majoriity of children have been picked on it there life and the majority don't take such extremes. Kids tease that is what they do. Some might have been treated worst, than others. Nevertheless, it takes only a pure evil monster to do was this nutjob did. Cho deserves no sympathy, compansion and especially no attempt at all for rationalizing his acts. Anyone who gives him sympaty, compansion or attempts to rationalize his action are nutjobs themselves.

[Poledancer]

Whose fault was it?

1. Violent video game makers
2. The state for having lax gun laws compared to other states and other countries
3. The person who sold him the gun and ammo
4. His teachers who did not chuck him out of school
5. A girl who laughed at him
6. Rich people in his class
7. The police, for not managing to find him within two hours ( how many other murders of two people are solved within two hours? )


So, he had no responsibility in this matter then?

[InTheFlesh?]

We get a really weird perspective of the events in England, it's all about gun laws. So from that point of view its hard to get passed the fact that guns allow the depressed and mentally ill to go on rampages.

Who knows what the guy was feeling, or thinking, and often mental stuff like that can't make sense to anyone except the person.

There does seem to be a trend of the social rejects rampaging in American schools though, how does this propagate in a school? Any ideas?

Blaming Cho entirely means you have dealt with the symptoms not the cause, to use a cliche. This will only cause repeats of these incidents.

P.S Any one else get vibes of the suicide bomber final videos "you made me do it", removes the guilt some what?

[brien]

We get a really weird perspective of the events in England, it's all about gun laws

It isn't ALL about gun laws. This guy shouldn't have had firearms because he had been in medical clinics under observation for being mentally unstable. The school authorities knew of his mental unstability as well, but had no route to make their information available to the firearms application database. The medical clinics were prevented by privacy laws from sharing this information in the firearm's application data base as well. In this respect, you are correct. These laws should be changed in VA. That said, if he was hell bent upon this type of destruction, he would have probably got his firearms illegally, or maybe he would have chose to run people down with a SUV, as happened on another campus.

Mentally unstable people bent upon killing others have a choice of weapons. They aren't limited to just guns so it isn't ALL about the gun laws. That would be like saying since we have seen these types use SUV autos to kill, its all about the motor vehicle laws. Or since they use bombs, it is all about the laws regarding explosives. And on and on.

Who knows what the guy was feeling, or thinking, and often mental stuff like that can't make sense to anyone except the person.

We have a good idea from the material he mailed to NBC News.

There does seem to be a trend of the social rejects rampaging in American schools though, how does this propagate in a school? Any ideas?

This just doesn't happen in schools and only with firearms.

Blaming Cho entirely means you have dealt with the symptoms not the cause,

I don't think anyone can blame him entirely. There are mitigating circumstances here and they are as many as there are questions.

[Slevin57]

Well I live in Virginia.. and I go to Old Dominion Universtiy, about 5 hours from Tech.

I chose not to go to Tech because I didn't think it was as great as it sounds.

There weren't the Kennedy and Vanderbilt type rich going to Tech, but there are families that are well off enough that the students don't have to work and still get to drive their BMW around the campus.

I don't particularly like those type of kids either, but It does not warrant killing them, or anywhere near it.

You just have to learn to bite your lip. You are always going to be around people that are better off. You just have to learn to appreciate what you have.

[tinybear]

Quote by: Slevin57 Well I live in Virginia.. and I go to Old Dominion Universtiy, about 5 hours from Tech. I chose not to go to Tech because I didn't think it was as great as it sounds. There weren't the Kennedy and Vanderbilt type rich going to Tech, but there are families that are well off enough that the students don't have to work and still get to drive their BMW around the campus. I don't particularly like those type of kids either, but It does not warrant killing them, or anywhere near it. You just have to learn to bite your lip. You are always going to be around people that are better off. You just have to learn to appreciate what you have.

Well, as a matter of interest, why don't you like "those type of kids" (i.e. those whose "families are well off enough that the students don't have to work and still get to drive their BMW around the campus")?

[brien]

You just have to learn to bite your lip. You are always going to be around people that are better off. You just have to learn to appreciate what you have.

Those who fall prey to class envy are setting themselves up to be angry over something that is learned and is played as a political football by some politicians. It is disgusting and those who preach it have the blood of the VT students on their hands.

[deepk]

There can be no excuse to murder. None of the expalaination by Cho on video are sufficient to justify his killing of 33 innocent persons. It was a massacar and noting can be more horrifing for the victims relatives than to hear the rants of Cho on national TV.

[Sugar]

I personally think that Cho was mentally dearranged and in moments of weakness he became a monster and showered death on the innocent persons.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: Poledancer 7. The police, for not managing to find him within two hours ( how many other murders of two people are solved within two hours? )

How many murders have 50+ more shots fired off over the span of two more hours a few buildings away?

[Osborn F Enready]

People have a right to information, and Chos information is still information.

If the people in Viriginia, or those affected deeply by it don't want to see that information, they have a power button on their media devices.

Grow up people.

[tinybear]

Ya know somethin'? I actually agree with Osborn. I find that extremely scary.

[brien]

How many murders have 50+ more shots fired off over the span of two more hours a few buildings away?

Waco and Ruby Ridge for two instances.

[Chaossaber314]

Both of which had the police besieging the building in question. They weren't a few buildings over from the Koresh compound or the Weaver ranch twiddling their thumbs wondering what those loud pops were while students were being murdered in bulk. Plus the gunshots were from exchanges with law enforcement, not from one person inside the building being allowed to gun down random people.