Indonesian militant gets 20 years for beheading Christian girls:

[Praxius]

meh... kill them and then you don't have to think about them anymore... wiped in the history of time. History can remember the offense, remember the victims and what they went through, but erase their names from history, so they get nothing out of it at all..... buddy who killed Lennon, Manson, and all the other fools out there...... (Fed purposely for Most Idiotic Quotes)

but hey, it's got 30% potential

[rmnunez]

I'd advocate making them eligible for parole after 2/3 of their sentences, but would impose multi-life sentences. Since rehabilitation is an institutionalized element and positive model for other prisoners, the terrorists ought to be rehabilitated even if they will never be reintegrated and get rejected at parole board hearings over and again. Make the condition for their release that they publish a compelling argument against their criminal conduct.

[Sugar]

Quote by: blacpete "Blood must be paid with blood, lives with lives, heads with heads." We all want blood. I say we should have just followed their own instructions when sentencing these guys, "heads with heads."

That would have been true justice to the innocent girls. These rogues must be publicly excuted with a gullitone and their heats be handed in public places for every one to see.

[medi]

Its a right case for HEAD FOR HEAD justice. These killers deserve nothing less than and public death.

[deepk]

Quote by: medi Its a right case for HEAD FOR HEAD justice. These killers deserve nothing less than and public death.

That would be right justice to begin with. Laws of all the countries must be changed to accomodate such thype of justice for such crimes.

[Praxius]

Yeah, whatever happened to Eye for an Eye anyways? I mean if it's a proven guilt, then why not? If it's kinda grey, then lock them away until it's figured out.

I mean, that's how today's laws came to be anyways..... public executions, and all that..... they worked pretty good back then... now we've gotten all light and soft with a few years in jail, food water, exercise, a bed, and if you behave yourself, you can get out early..... like WTF?

[rmnunez]

No, I don't subscribe to this eye-for-eye stuff, we live in a much more sophisticated society, even those in places like Indonesia or Pakistan. Muslims are a bit more primitive and closer to this Tallionic concept which is recorded by Hammurabbi in Mesopotamia, but even they moderate this as government evolves and assumes a greater role in delivering justice.

The Renaissance, Enlightment and scientificism advanced notions of a society-based system for the administration of justice enforced by the government's authority and available to everyone.

Systems which better assure judicial security, predictability and certitude in enforced sentences are more successful and attractive, societies in them prosper more. When they deal with others these ideas are contagious.

Societies enforce laws they can all agree on and these tend to be fair in any circumstances. In criminal punishment, sentences must be proportionate to the crime, but certain excesses are seen as unfair. Capital punishment, even life terms without the possibility of parole, are seen by some as counterproductive as we must seek to rehabilitate the criminal with, presumably an aim to reintegrate the ex-convict in society, and this would have to be at some point beyond captivity.

In Spain convicted criminals facing life in prison, are always eligible for parole, after 2/3rds of their term has run, it gives some (the ones who can be rehabilitated) hope, and this spurs their application and acquisition of skills they can successfully put to use upon eventual reintegration. Years are knocked off for good behaviour, for completed studies, efforts to compensate the victim, expressions of contrition...

It is hard to call for moderation with such a heinous crime as slaughtering schoolgirls in deranged religious rage, and with all the religious intolerance we find in places where people do this sort of thing, the community is sure to reasonably come together and demand the perpetrators be drawn and quartered. Probably want to bring the victim's little brothers and sisters to watch and spit on the corpse, heads on a pike are just decorative, what matters is how it got there.

But we don't want this, what happens when someone notices a life-for-life isn't satisfied since the murdering criminal slaughtered more than the one life he lost? They go after his children, other relatives, torch his house, kill so many other children in his community?

[Sugar]

Its the court who decide the Head for Head sentence if proven guilty and not an individual. The right to end a life is only in the hands of the court and that too after a fair trial.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Sugar Its the court who decide the Head for Head sentence if proven guilty and not an individual. The right to end a life is only in the hands of the court and that too after a fair trial.

I think a decision like that should fall apon the victim or the family of the victim in question.... that'd be the only way to get real justice, if found guilty.

[nmspl]

Quote by: Praxius I think a decision like that should fall apon the victim or the family of the victim in question.... that'd be the only way to get real justice, if found guilty.

Then what role would the court play. I dont think punishment should be doled out by the victims family. It is the prerogative of the court only.

[Praxius]

Quote by: nmspl Then what role would the court play. I dont think punishment should be doled out by the victims family. It is the prerogative of the court only.

The courts and lawyers would play out the legal system to the book and make sure everything is run the way it should to the end result of a guilty or innocent.... if they are found guilty, the appropreate sentances would be available to be choosen by the victim or family of the victim.....

for example:

Murder in the 1st Degree
- Life in Prison without the chance of Parole
- 25 Years in Prison + Basic Parole details
- Execution by Government Standards (Leathal Injection, Hanging, Chair, Gas Chamber, etc.)
- Execution by the same means as what crime was committed (Eye for an Eye)
- Set them Free by the grace of the victim or family.

Or what have you..... then instead of a judge or jury who may not be able to appreciate the extent of mental damage towards the family or the victim, make the decision for the family, which they may seem unfair to the crime. This way they can choose what would give them peace of mind from penalties that would account for the crime in question.

At least that's how I would do it.

[Sugar]

Nice example, but not viable in a Democratic society. This kind of laws were in vogue in erstwhile Monarchies but in current day situations these cannot be used.

[medi]

If that be the law, then why have so many courts and legal aids and spend billion on legal wareware, just use pisols and swords to take revenge on the criminals. This is not a way a civilised society works. Laws have to be followed (good or bad), Justice is to be done only by courts.

[tmay563]

I really hope the prisons in Indonesia have lots of prison rapes like they do here cuz that is the least they deserve. Compared to what they did 20 years is like a slap on the wrist.

[Sugar]

Quote by: tmay563 I really hope the prisons in Indonesia have lots of prison rapes like they do here cuz that is the least they deserve. Compared to what they did 20 years is like a slap on the wrist.

How do you expect them to be like us?

[rmnunez]

Sugar, the incidence of non-consensual intercourse among inmates is a function of the duration of their stay and level of supervision. With a lengthy enough imprisonment, unless constantly supervised, its bound to happen. Social constraints of a cultural nature, religious practices or upbringing are substantially eroded in jail.

[Praxius]

Yeah well.... I don't care if I'm in prison for 5 years, or the rest of my life.... my ass is an exit only, and I hardly doubt I'll go gay just to satisfy my sexual needs..... I've gone about just shy of 20 years before I had sex, and only relied on my hand, I can easily goes the same distance, without the need to grab a hold of some scabby poop shoot.

[rmnunez]

Sure, but without getting into details, even if it doesn't turn you on and you control your own sexual drive, you could be made what they call a "bottom", its a mater of size, weight and brutality -choice or personal preference are irrelevant.

[Praxius]

Oh you mean a Bitch? They'd have me either in isolation or in the medical ward from using anything and everything I can get ahold of to cripple anybody who comes close to me..... either way... I won't go down without a fight..... think Shawshank.

[rmnunez]

I suppose so, who knows, maybe its an acquired taste, I don't understand it, but it is said many inmates engage in the practice, things are probably different in jail. I'd imagine the need to dominate others would be enhanced since force rules that environment. There are no women, do they have easy access for wives and such? In Mexico they recently amended prison regulations to allow visitation (for sex) to 'life-partners' of the same gender. Only one male has requested (and been allowed access) under this guise, so far.

I doubt jail makes one homosexual and being effeminate sure seems counterintuitive in an environment where force is important, maybe its the absence of women, pent up sexual drives, group psychology or the need to express dominance over others.

I think you'd need to have been convicted of a violent crime, join a prison gang (based on race), become very close to the biggest dude (of your own gang), and beat up a few smaller ones (from other gangs) -to avoid becoming someone's bitch. Even so, it may be just a matter of time before someone even bigger rolls in and upsets the balance.