Islamic group claims it kidnapped 18 Iraqi government workers:

[Praxius]

Islamic group claims it kidnapped 18 Iraqi government workers

Sunni group claims it kidnapped 18 Iraqi officials

The claim by the Islamic State of Iraq was posted Friday on a website, accompanied by nine pictures showing up to 18 men. Seven were wearing Iraqi military uniforms, and all had their hands tied behind their backs. "This blessed operation is a response to crimes carried out by those infidels in their fight against the Sunnis," the statement said. "The latest of the crimes committed by these traitors was to rape our sister in religion." The group threatened to kill the hostages within 24 hours if the Iraqi government did not hand over officers accused in the rape case, and release all Sunni women held in Iraqi prisons.

So considdering this is in Iraq and how things are kinda all messed up anyways, is this a kind of Justice for the girl who was raped, or is this just another thing to fuel the hatred between the two factions?

However, officials of the Iraqi Islamic Party, the country's largest Sunni group, said the woman used a false name when making the allegation and that she is in fact a Shia. The party's human rights office had been looking into the case. Names of the officers involved in the case were not released, and it was unknown whether they were Sunni or Shia. The woman told Arab television stations that she was detained in Sunni area of west Baghdad on Feb. 18, taken to a police garrison and assaulted by three officers. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, a Shia, announced an investigation Feb. 19 but cleared the officers the following day, raising outrage among Sunni politicians.

[Apeman81]

"So considdering this is in Iraq and how things are kinda all messed up anyways, is this a kind of Justice for the girl who was raped, or is this just another thing to fuel the hatred between the two factions?"

A convenient excuse to carry out the continued efforts to terrorize the populace. This is nothing new.

This act of terrorism is reported this time because it contains a sensational claim to legitimacy for the "insurgents" while casting doubt upon the government.

[Boetie]

The following link gives you a slide show of the victims.

http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre...st=/index.php&

Late Thursday, March 1, 2007, the Islamic State of Iraq announced the capture of eighteen employees of the Ministry of the Interior in Diyala, Iraq. The communiqué states that "This blessed operation was in response to the crimes carried out by those apostates in their fight against the Sunnis…including raping our sister in Allah, Sabrina al-Janabi.” Sabrin al-Janabi, a Sunni Iraqi woman, was recently raped by several Shia officers and both the Amir of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Hamzah Al-Mujahir, and the Amir of the Islamic State of Iraq, Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, promised revenge for this latest crime against Sunni Sisters in the war-ravaged country. The Islamic State of Iraq put the Shiite Malaki government 24 hours to respond to two demands as follows: 1. "Handing over the officers involved in the heinous act against our pious sister." 2. "The release of all Sunni Muslim sisters from the prisons of the apostate Ministry of the Interior."

The kidnappers are known as Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) you can find out more about them here:

Islamic State of Iraq Has Been Proclaimed - Kavkazcenter.com

[Praxius]

Quote by: Apeman81 A convenient excuse to carry out the continued efforts to terrorize the populace. This is nothing new.

They didn't kidnap any civilians, but police and military who are related to the accused.... this is directly military and is not toward the populace. The only thing here I see you having a problem with, is the method.

This act of terrorism is reported this time because it contains a sensational claim to legitimacy for the "insurgents" while casting doubt upon the government.

So for once they have a ligitamate reason behind their actions, and you still debunk it, because they're "terrorists" and their methods are not your methods?

[Apeman81]

"Praxius;348048]They didn't kidnap any civilians, but police and military who are related to the accused.... this is directly military and is not toward the populace. The only thing here I see you having a problem with, is the method."

Well, taking 18 hostages and slitting the throats of 11 bound men is not a proper method of addressing one's grievances, is it?


"So for once they have a legitamate reason behind their actions, and you still debunk it, because they're "terrorists" and their methods are not your methods?"

Even if the accusation of rape is true, a far from determined question, is that a "legitamate" (sic) reason to take the law into one's hand and slit the throats of 11 bound men and hold 18 others hostage under threat of death?

I sure hope that such "legitamate"(sic) reasoning gains much of a following where I live!

[pikatore]

Quote by: Apeman81 This act of terrorism is reported this time because it contains a sensational claim to legitimacy for the "insurgents" while casting doubt upon the government.

If it was done in the Western world, and the kidnappers weren't Muslims, it would be simply called a kidnapping, and people would be more divided about it.

But you label them as terrorists. See the irony for yourself.

[shrike]

If it was done in the Western world, and the kidnappers weren't Muslims, it would be simply called a kidnapping, and people would be more divided about it. But you label them as terrorists. See the irony for yourself.

If there were politically motivated they would be called terrorists all the way.

[pikatore]

Quote by: shrike If there were politically motivated they would be called terrorists all the way.

Being politically motivated doesn't make you a terrorist, nor does this particular kidnapping.

[Praxius]

Even if the accusation of rape is true, a far from determined question, is that a "legitamate" (sic) reason to take the law into one's hand and slit the throats of 11 bound men and hold 18 others hostage under threat of death?

Correction.... they don't slit their throats, they carve and behead them with a combat knife..... a little more painful then just a slit and bleed out death..... as I have seen with the original kidnapping a few years back that shocked everybody.

Besides cutting their heads of and executing their prisoners, they are treated very well and not beaten around, demoralized, and insulted like some other military forces do *cough cough* *Hint hint* They are very professional with what they do and they follow strict rules on how they handle these situations.

You always hear about the ones they kill, but you hardly ever hear about the one's they free, which is common, believe it or not.

It's all about how you interp your media that's given to you.

We Canadians had a few of our citizens taken hostage a while back and were released without incident.... they were interviewed and they said they have no hatred towards their captives, and actually kinda bonded with them and their stuggles.

[shrike]

Being politically motivated doesn't make you a terrorist, nor does this particular kidnapping.

Of course it is if you kidnap innocent citizens for political goal you are terrorist and it doest matter if you Basque Muslim or Jew

[Praxius]

Well looks like that's the end of that chapter.....

Bodies of Iraqi policemen found:
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Bodies of Iraqi policemen found

Iraqi officials say they have found the bodies of 14 policemen who went missing shortly after leaving their base north of the capital, Baghdad.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: pikatore If it was done in the Western world, and the kidnappers weren't Muslims, it would be simply called a kidnapping, and people would be more divided about it. But you label them as terrorists. See the irony for yourself.

What a load!

If 11 men were bound and then had their throats slit while helpless, it would be decried as one of the most heinous mass murders in history. Even without the kidnapping of the other 18 men.

It would not be called a kidnapping, it would be called a massacre.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: Praxius Well looks like that's the end of that chapter..... Bodies of Iraqi policemen found: BBC NEWS | Middle East | Bodies of Iraqi policemen found

Iraqi police dead, Qaeda claims kidnapping | International | Reuters

They shoot prisoners in the head, this after slitting the throats of 11 others, and to be followed by the release of video via the internet.

A nice bunch indeed!

[Boetie]

Quote by: Apeman81 Iraqi police dead, Qaeda claims kidnapping | International | Reuters They shoot prisoners in the head, this after slitting the throats of 11 others, and to be followed by the release of video via the internet. A nice bunch indeed!

This Reuters story seems to have a problem. It has this sentence in it

A police source in Diyala said 14 men, including a high-ranking officer, left their base in Baquba around 11 a.m. (0800 GMT) on Thursday to return to their homes in the area of Saadiyet al Shat, north of the city, but failed to arrive

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Then the very next sentence is this

The first Internet statement of the Islamic State in Iraq group included photographs of 18 men, some in uniform and some in civilian clothing, blindfolded in a room.

This could lead the reader to conclude that somehow the Islamic State of Iraq was responsible for the deaths of the 14 men as mentioned in the Rueters version.

But if one goes to the Al-Jazeera version we get this

Al Jazeera English - News

Brigadier General Abdul-Karim Khalaf, an interior ministry spokesman, said the 14 bodies were found on Friday afternoon in Diyala province of Baghdad. But Khalaf cast doubt on whether the 14 slain policemen were the same men shown on the Web site photos. "We found the 14 policemen's bodies, but they are not those who are in the fabricated images on the web site," he told The Associated Press. "The Diyala police told us that they don't know those people shown on the Web site were," he said.

The Diyala police seems to feel that the 18 in the photo are fabricated. Meaning the photo is for propaganda purposes.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: Boetie This Reuters story seems to have a problem. It has this sentence in it . Then the very next sentence is this This could lead the reader to conclude that somehow the Islamic State of Iraq was responsible for the deaths of the 14 men as mentioned in the Rueters version. But if one goes to the Al-Jazeera version we get this Al Jazeera English - News The 14 may not even be the any of the 18

You are correct in this discrepancy. I chose not to make note it because of the words "We found the 14 policemen's bodies, but they are not those who are in the fabricated images on the web site". The pictures are referred to as being "fabricated".

Hence, the 14 dead are those who were actually taken, while the 18 in the picture had been posed to represent them by the terrorist. I feel it is likely that some of the 14 were killed during the initial struggle, but held back to increase the number of hostages as a bargaining chip.