Israel seeks all clear for Iran air strike

[RickSp]

Israel seeks all clear for Iran air strike

Israel is negotiating with the United States for permission to fly over Iraq as part of a plan to attack Iran's nuclear facilities, The Daily Telegraph can reveal. To conduct surgical air strikes against Iran's nuclear programme, Israeli war planes would need to fly across Iraq. But to do so the Israeli military authorities in Tel Aviv need permission from the Pentagon. A senior Israeli defence official said negotiations were now underway between the two countries for the US-led coalition in Iraq to provide an "air corridor" in the event of the Israeli government deciding on unilateral military action to prevent Teheran developing nuclear weapons. "We are planning for every eventuality, and sorting out issues such as these are crucially important," said the official, who asked not to be named. "The only way to do this is to fly through US-controlled air space. If we don't sort these issues out now we could have a situation where American and Israeli war planes start shooting at each other."

So Israel may either serve as the proxy or merely the mad-dog who starts the next war. In either case, US complicity will be well established.

The madmen are running the asylum.

[GHook93]

Quote by: RickSp Israel seeks all clear for Iran air strike So Israel may either serve as the proxy or merely the mad-dog who starts the next war. In either case, US complicity will be well established. The madmen are running the asylum.

Iran is working toward building a nuclear bomb in defiance of the international community (that includes, US, EU, Russia and China) and has repeatedly threaten to wipe Israel off the map and you say they are starting a war? :eek:

Please an attack by Israel on Iran is 100% justifiable.

[Jack]

Since when does the U.S. have the right to negotiate policy on behalf of a sovereign nation? Shouldn't we be letting the Iraqi government, which many of our young people have died to help establish, deal with this?

[shrike]

Israel is denying

However, Deputy Defense Minister Ephraim Sneh denied the report Saturday and said any talk of an Israeli offensive against Iran was speculative alone. Sneh said the reports apparently came from sources that did not want to uphold responsibility for the diplomatic inaction regarding Iran’s possible nuclear armament. “It is convenient for them to roll the ball into the Israeli court,” Sneh said

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...368931,00.html

Quote by: ricksp So Israel may either serve as the proxy or merely the mad-dog who starts the next war. In either case, US complicity will be well established.

Israeli attack on Iraq nuclear facility didn't started any war but it saved the world from a lot of problems for following years.But i think that chances of attack is pretty much minimal.

[RickSp]

Quote by: GHook93 Iran is working toward building a nuclear bomb in defiance of the international community (that includes, US, EU, Russia and China) and has repeatedly threaten to wipe Israel off the map and you say they are starting a war? :eek: Please an attack by Israel on Iran is 100% justifiable.

And Iran did what, exactly? Say nasty things about Israel? In a decade or so Iran may or may not have a nuclear weapon. It does not have one now and isn't close to acquiring one. How is it a threat?

An attack by Israel on Iran is no more justified than Saddam's attack on Kuwait. An attack by Israel would also start a regional war, the scope and consequences of which are impossible to predict. The US would be drawn into the conflict. What part of this isn't madness?

[Gods_Mercenary]

If it was a simple airstrike or a spec ops strike I'd say, whatever, but nothing is that simple, it has more than a little potential to ignite an unheard of war that the U.S. will be forced to become involved in. Countless americans would be killed andthe entire region would be concievably irreparably destabalized, a mission like this should only be undertake if Iran has nukes and has threatened to launch them.

[notworthabean]

no this is nothing like kuwawit, this isnt' israel invading for oil, it is israel acting in self defense.

[Gods_Mercenary]

I agree that it's different, but the ramifications are much worse, I don't care so much that it is morally wrong, but that it is wrong for the good of the U.S. and the international community as a whole.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: Isherwood Since when does the U.S. have the right to negotiate policy on behalf of a sovereign nation? Shouldn't we be letting the Iraqi government, which many of our young people have died to help establish, deal with this?

I was just wondering that same thing.

[Gods_Mercenary]

They said U.S. controlled airspace, which it is. Iraq currently does not control their own airspace, so asking them would be an excersize in idiocy. That's the situation, it should be rectified, but that's the way it is.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary They said U.S. controlled airspace, which it is. Iraq currently does not control their own airspace, so asking them would be an excersize in idiocy. That's the situation, it should be rectified, but that's the way it is.

Well, it could be done as a matter of respect and recognition of the sovreignty of Iraq.

[RickSp]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 Well, it could be done as a matter of respect and recognition of the sovreignty of Iraq.

Respect? Not too likely.

"The only way to do this is to fly through US-controlled air space. If we don't sort these issues out now we could have a situation where American and Israeli war planes start shooting at each other."

It has the secondary benefit of making the US complicit in any action taken by the Israelis.

[Boetie]

What this current administration and Israel did was they opened up all the files regarding Iraq in their word processor and did a find and replace.

Iraq was the find word Iran was the replace word.

There you have it. Intel in a second.

[notworthabean]

boetie are you so delusional. the evidence of Irans problems is way above that of saddams

[Boetie]

Quote by: notworthabean boetie are you so delusional. the evidence of Irans problems is way above that of saddams

Of course. Find the word Saddam Hussien and replaced it with the word Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Cheney has been attacking Obama. Not that long ago Obama was giving a speech in the rain. He told the audience that it was Cheney that said last throes, flowers and candy, we will be greeted as liberators, Obama then looked at the audience and said if Cheney were here today giving a speech in the rain Cheney would tell you that it is sunny.

[Technosoul]

In the miscellaneous section I have a thread called "My review of news stories" and I posted a number of news stories about this topic, which I had researched.

Israel is absolutly not acting in self defence because Iran is not attacking Israel presently. Recent inspections of Iran nuclear facilities has proven that they are creating nuclear plants for peaceful purposes and not as weapons. The inspections also revealed that most of the statements made about Iran by the Bush White House are false. When other Muslem nations see that Israel represents a major danger with it's "first stike" policy they no doubt will need to protect their interests by aiding in the defense of Iran. Iran would counter-strike and could possibly wipe out Israel after shooting down their jets or bombers. Along with holy sites concidered sacred to the Christian community and with Jewish people around the globe. The cluster bombs that must be used for underground facilities are not sergical and sometimes stray into non-military locations (populared areas). Norway is presently attempting to get cluster bombs outlawed with a gathering of nations ready to take action. Iran can easly control the Persion Gulf where most of the oil ships must pass through, and that war would cut off the supply of oil to many nations and the price at the pump here would skyrocktet to $10.00 per gal.

[The Decider]

Quote by: GHook93 Iran is working toward building a nuclear bomb in defiance of the international community (that includes, US, EU, Russia and China)

I'm just curious...what evidence, hard evidence, do we have that Iran is working on a bomb? It could very well be true, and probably is. But after the experience with Saddam's "nuclear program" that Blair claimed could have a bomb ready in 45 minutes, I think "solid proof" would be a nice goal this time.

Quote by: GHook93 and has repeatedly threaten to wipe Israel off the map and you say they are starting a war? :eek:

I don't read Farsi (Persian) but I've read that nobody in Iran--neither Khomeini or the current president--actually said "wipe Israel off the map." The language is actually vague. The Israeli "regime" is mentioned, but not the map. A regime and nation-state are two different animals. Again, we need to be precise with our evidence before blundering into another war. The neo-cons have a serious credibility problem. They better get to work.

Quote by: GHook93 Please an attack by Israel on Iran is 100% justifiable.

Not unless America says so. You forget that we have 140,000 American soldiers embroiled in a worsening civil war next door to Iran. Any attack by Israel will have a direct impact on those American troops. The Shiite militias in Iraq have shown an impressive ability to slaughter people when they feel the need. An attack will also destabilize Lebanon again.

When Israel bombed the Osirak reactor in Iraq, the Middle East didn't have all these complications. Israel will do what its told. If American soldiers die because of her recklessness, she will get the blame.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Technosoul In the miscellaneous section I have a thread called "My review of news stories" and I posted a number of news stories about this topic, which I had researched. Israel is absolutly not acting in self defence because Iran is not attacking Israel presently. Recent inspections of Iran nuclear facilities has proven that they are creating nuclear plants for peaceful purposes and not as weapons. The inspections also revealed that most of the statements made about Iran by the Bush White House are false. When other Muslem nations see that Israel represents a major danger with it's "first stike" policy they no doubt will need to protect their interests by aiding in the defense of Iran. Iran would counter-strike and could possibly wipe out Israel after shooting down their jets or bombers. Along with holy sites concidered sacred to the Christian community and with Jewish people around the globe. The cluster bombs that must be used for underground facilities are not sergical and sometimes stray into non-military locations (populared areas). Norway is presently attempting to get cluster bombs outlawed with a gathering of nations ready to take action. Iran can easly control the Persion Gulf where most of the oil ships must pass through, and that war would cut off the supply of oil to many nations and the price at the pump here would skyrocktet to $10.00 per gal.

You're delusional. The only way Iran could wipe-out Israel is with a nuke (or the nuke that they are attempting to create). Israel military strenght is 2nd to none in the Middle East. The only military advantage that Iran would have is the with the over-welming head-count.

The whole international community is condeming Iran and believes that Iran is seeking a nuke. Shit even countries like Russia and China are against them on this issue.

[GHook93]

Quote by: The Decider I'm just curious...what evidence, hard evidence, do we have that Iran is working on a bomb? It could very well be true, and probably is. But after the experience with Saddam's "nuclear program" that Blair claimed could have a bomb ready in 45 minutes, I think "solid proof" would be a nice goal this time. I don't read Farsi (Persian) but I've read that nobody in Iran--neither Khomeini or the current president--actually said "wipe Israel off the map." The language is actually vague. The Israeli "regime" is mentioned, but not the map. A regime and nation-state are two different animals. Again, we need to be precise with our evidence before blundering into another war. The neo-cons have a serious credibility problem. They better get to work. Not unless America says so. You forget that we have 140,000 American soldiers embroiled in a worsening civil war next door to Iran. Any attack by Israel will have a direct impact on those American troops. The Shiite militias in Iraq have shown an impressive ability to slaughter people when they feel the need. An attack will also destabilize Lebanon again. When Israel bombed the Osirak reactor in Iraq, the Middle East didn't have all these complications. Israel will do what its told. If American soldiers die because of her recklessness, she will get the blame.

Very true on the credability issue. However, you can't really be serious on the fact that Iran hasn't threaten Israel (Jose no propaganda websites with a different interpretation of the "wipe Israel off the map quote.")? :confused:

If Iran built a nuke, then Israel would be justifable in a first strike.

[The Decider]

Quote by: GHook93 However, you can't really be serious on the fact that Iran hasn't threaten Israel (Jose no propaganda websites with a different interpretation of the "wipe Israel off the map quote.")? :confused:

I remember EXACTLY the same point made in 2003, before the invasion of Iraq. "Who could possibly believe Saddam wasn't hiding nukes, or chem/bio weapons!" Colin Powell told the world we had "solid proof."

Let's just say I want to see all the evidence BEFORE the war. What are the actual words from the Farsi translation?

Quote by: GHook93 If Iran built a nuke, then Israel would be justifable in a first strike.

No, Israel will do as it is told by those who give her money and arms. If Bush wants to jeopardize our soldiers in Iraq by green-lighting an Israeli attack, then he and his party will bear the consequences. I'm sure that Israel is fully aware of the problem.