Zundel jailed five years for Holocaust denial:

[shrike]

are so imbred following strict prohibition against intermarriage with other European Gentiles that Ashkenazi genes are used as controls for human genetic research. There are several diseases specific to Ashkenazis. And of course, the Ashkenazi gene markers can tell with there's been significant infusion of Semitic genes from the Middle East. There has not been such as my dna test shows--my Ashkenazi ancestry only goes as far east as Uzbekistan. No Semitic blood markers. So all Ashkenazis when they claim to be "Semites" are lying. And you do not address the immorality of Ashkenazis claiming Palestine from real Semitic indigenous peoples.

You posting the same thing over and over again and think it will magically turn to truth.And I am asking again why should I believe you and not peer reviewed genetic researches???

[arielmessenger]

If you can supply information that contradicts Ashkenazi genes being used as controls in breast cancer research for example, I will hear your dissent. There are several diseases specific to Ashkenazis because of inbreeding populations. It has only been since about the 1950's that practically any Jewish families allowed intermarriage with Gentiles.

Now of course, the Ashkenazi exclusivity is rapidly diminishing. Each generation of intermarriage with Gentiles weakens the Ashkenazi genes by half so that by the seventh generation or about 150 years of intermarriage with non-Ashkenazi Gentiles, the non-Ashkenazi Gentile gene portion is over 99%.This is why nothing Semitic showed up in my Ashkenazi ancestry and why any claims of Ashkenazis to direct ancestry with Semitic peoples of the Holy Land is ludicrous.

[shrike]

Quote by: arielmessenger Now of course, the Ashkenazi exclusivity is rapidly diminishing. Each generation of intermarriage with Gentiles weakens the Ashkenazi genes by half so that by the seventh generation or about 150 years of intermarriage with non-Ashkenazi Gentiles, the non-Ashkenazi Gentile gene portion is over 99%.This is why nothing Semitic showed up in my Ashkenazi ancestry and why any claims of Ashkenazis to direct ancestry with Semitic peoples of the Holy Land is ludicrous.

I am not talking about people that only grandparent is an Ashkenazim Jew.
They don't even considers them-self Jews anymore.So they pretty much irrelevant.I am talking about genetic researches that was done on real Ashkenazi Jews.

A study of haplotypes of the Y chromosome, published in 2000, addressed the paternal origins of Ashkenazi Jews. Hammer et al[7] found that the Y chromosome of some Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews contained mutations that are also common among Middle Eastern peoples, but uncommon in the general European population. This suggested that the male ancestors of the Ashkenazi Jews could be traced mostly to the Middle East ... More recent research indicates that a significant portion of Ashkenazi maternal ancestry is also of Middle Eastern origin. A 2006 study by Behar et al[9], based on haplotype analysis of mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), suggested that about 40% of the current Ashkenazi population is descended matrilineally from just four women. These four "founder lineages" were "likely from a Hebrew/Levantine mtDNA pool" originating in the Near East in the first and second centuries CE. According to the authors, "The observed global pattern of distribution renders very unlikely the possibility that the four aforementioned founder lineages entered the Ashkenazi mtDNA pool via gene flow from a European host population."

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Ashkenazi Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Praxius]

Back to topic:

I feel that throwing people in jail for the sole reason they don't believe it occured is not helping anything.... if anything, it is just bringing more and more attention to those people, when they should just be ignored. If they step it up any by forming movements, then throw them in jail.

The way the system is now, eventually you will have a collective of people in jail for not believing, and eventually you will have advocates wanting them to be freed, adding more to their own cause and opinions.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Quote by: notworthabean I agree they are entitled to be (for lack of a better word) idiots, and I wouldn't advoate doing it in America, but for the europeans it seems to make sense. I personally think he should be put on air with eli wesiel and allowed to debate it nationally.

What's to debate, with a person like this wiesel would just state facts and then the denier would spout propoganda, such a debate would only serve to darken wiesel's (and my) view of humanity. Anyway, then the europeans shouldn't allow their cartoonists to attack mohammed.

[arielmessenger]

Quote by: shrike I am not talking about people that only grandparent is an Ashkenazim Jew. They don't even considers them-self Jews anymore.So they pretty much irrelevant.I am talking about genetic researches that was done on real Ashkenazi Jews. . Ashkenazi Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you had read and understood my posting about what happens when Ashkenazi "Jews" marry Gentiles, themselves being Gentiles to start with, is within 150 years or seven generations whatever "Ashkenazi" genes have to compete with 99+% Gentile genes. The same applies to those supposed Semitic Jewish "mothers". Withing seven generation Khazar Gentile genes have virtually obliterated any Semitic ancestry.

One can now see where Zionist Jews are trying to rewrite history so as to cover their fraud which may work as scholars or anyone who goes up against the Jewish lobby seem to be singled out for organized character assassination, e.g. the Harvard and U.of Chicago profs and Jimmy Carter.

After the World Almanac figures refused to show 6 million missing Jews up until 1947 I think it was, now they "discovered" their error. Now this supposed "Jewish mothers" nonsense to divert attention away from the Ashkenazi Gentile "Jewish" fraud. These backfill manipulations will backfire when scholarship overcomes the general public's naivete, something that is happening more and more these days as Zionists continue to be backed into their racist enterprise corner.

[arielmessenger]

is to compare those many Americans with an "Indian in the closet" or European-Americans who have a Native American in their geneology. By the "Jewish mothers" reasoning, every American with such a Native American in their geneology would automatically be "Native American", no longer European-American. The concept is absurd from a genetic point of view.

Why is it that we have five major frauds being perpetuated by Jews?

Fraud #1: The Exodus Story and Joshua conquest as proof of Jewish claim to the Holy Land.

Fraud #2: The supposed mighty kingdoms of Greater Israel under David and Solomon.

Fraud #3: Ashkenazi Gentile Jewish converts have claim to Semitic Jewish homeland based on Frauds 1 and 2.

Fraud #4: Israel was to be a sanctuary for Holocaust victims. Less than 2% of Holocaust survivors went to Israel.

Fraud #5: 9-11 pinned on Muslims while evidence strongly suggest U.S. participation with Silverstein, owner of WTC towers making some 7 Billion on insurance claims made shortly before 9-11.

[arielmessenger]

for a lot of people to lie their teeth out as Silverstein has done, recanting his "pull the building" statement re Building 7 caught on tape.

How much money was spread around to keep people in on the 9-11 cover-up? If Silverstein gets 7 billion how much did others get to keep quiet?

[shrike]

Quote by: arielmessenger If you had read and understood my posting about what happens when Ashkenazi "Jews" marry Gentiles, themselves being Gentiles to start with, is within 150 years or seven generations whatever "Ashkenazi" genes have to compete with 99+% Gentile genes. The same applies to those supposed Semitic Jewish "mothers". Withing seven generation Khazar Gentile genes have virtually obliterated any Semitic ancestry.

Irrelevant children of intermarried couples don’t consider themselves a Jews. And definitely a grandchildren too. There is of course some rare cases. But they pretty much minimal.

After the World Almanac figures refused to show 6 million missing Jews up until 1947.I think it was, now they "discovered" their error

Here we see classical holocaust denial argument. I think it was expected
Anti-Zionism, Anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial cannot be separated. Here we see fine example of this.
More on this issue
Criticism of Holocaust denial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

. Now this supposed "Jewish mothers" nonsense to divert attention away from the Ashkenazi Gentile "Jewish" fraud. These backfill manipulations will backfire when scholarship overcomes the general public's naivete, something that is happening more and more these days as Zionists continue to be backed into their racist enterprise corner

Of course we should believe you and not to peer reviewed scientific research.
:rolleyes:

[Nono]

Quote by: jose Did this person commit a crime INSIDE Germany,or was he just sent there as Germany has this crime on it´s books.?

"This person" has been frothing at the mouth for decades now. Truly odious. I don't like the German law either, but if the guy was deported by Canada* it's because of Canadian anti-hate-crime legislation. A hate crime isn't just quibbling about historical details. It's all about stirring up racial and other conflict. Zundel had been doing that in Canada bigtime for many many years.

Quote by: Prax's link Upon arrival in Toronto, Zundel was arrested and held in detention until a judge ruled in March 2005 that his activities posed a threat to national and international security, and he was deported to Germany.

* When you get deported, where do you go? To your country of citizenship.

[notworthabean]

Quote by: arielmessenger are so imbred following strict prohibition against intermarriage with other European Gentiles that Ashkenazi genes are used as controls for human genetic research. There are several diseases specific to Ashkenazis. And of course, the Ashkenazi gene markers can tell with there's been significant infusion of Semitic genes from the Middle East. There has not been such as my dna test shows--my Ashkenazi ancestry only goes as far east as Uzbekistan. No Semitic blood markers. So all Ashkenazis when they claim to be "Semites" are lying. And you do not address the immorality of Ashkenazis claiming Palestine from real Semitic indigenous peoples. But I do see you admitting to AIPAC's influence which you previously denied. And I got news for you re Jimmy Carter and the two profs..they are being listened to by many, many, many activists. Gone are the days when the Zionist lobby gets a free ride on America's shirttails without arousing bitter complaint from those who see the injustice inherent in the Zionist religious enterprise of Israel. Better hope Hillary wins next time around because if she doesn't, continuing U.S. support for Israelis over Palestinians will be seriously called into question and national debate. When you've gotten a well respected former U.S. President openly criticizing Israeli policies, the end of the Zionist love-affair between America and Israel is on the horizon..

1) you don't know what your talking about regarding genetics. yes ashkenazi jews did do a lot of cousin marriages, this is common in a lot of exclusive cultures. that said genetic markest don't indicate where you from in that way.

2) I denied aipac was as all powerful as you made it out ot be, it is fairly influential on israel...but thats it. the only people who take carter seriously are the far lefties who already agreed with him. and as a side note he was one of the worst presidents in history, the best that can be said about his ex presidency is that he popularzied charities. the only way israel will hav ea probelm post 08 is if some far left candidate gets the election.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Nono * When you get deported, where do you go? To your country of citizenship.

Technically yes, you will be deported to the country you have citizenship to, unless your country has a history of torture or there is reasonable risk to their safety if they return..... then the big debate of whether or not they can get refugee status in Canada comes into play.

Then they fight for that for a few years, and then if they win, then they are charged in Canada under Canadian laws.

[xyzer]

Another example in a worrying trend of suppression of politically incorrect speech in the Western world. If unpopular opinions are currently being arbitrarily prohibited, how long before the government starts dictating what political parties are acceptable? It's already started in Britain with the persecution of the BNP.

You post with "straight tongue" bacon!

I shudder when I read of such examples of extreme thought suppression! I think its termed political correctness in the USA? It's still in the realmof apologies and non criminal penalties..though the thought of haviing to apologize to anyone for exoressing an opinion "frosts me"!
I believe in the reality and proof of the Holcaust! But I decry making the expression of 'unpopular' beliefs a criminal matter! This is obviouly a travesty of justice...and I'm glad I'm not living in such an oppressive country as Germany.

[Nono]

Prax, you could fight for a million years in Canadian courts, you'd never find an excuse for not deporting a German national to present-day Germany. Sorry.

[Nono]

Quote by: xyzer I shudder when I read of such examples of extreme thought suppression! I think its termed political correctness in the USA? It's still in the realmof apologies and non criminal penalties..though the thought of haviing to apologize to anyone for exoressing an opinion "frosts me"! I believe in the reality and proof of the Holcaust! But I decry making the expression of 'unpopular' beliefs a criminal matter! This is obviouly a travesty of justice...and I'm glad I'm not living in such an oppressive country as Germany.

Oh but you are! Just try saying things that sound uhh.. unpatriotic.

And see my post above. Zundel hasn't been in trouble time and again and again over the past 40 years for questioning historians' judgement. He's been in trouble for doing his damnedest to stir up racial conflict.

The German law is dumb. I agree. But it's applied in a fairly judicious manner (like all them buggery bans in US redneck states, I hope and trust, or the law in Ontario that any motorcar travelling at night has to be preceded by a man carrying a lantern LOL).

[arielmessenger]

no matter how much they try to do so.

Ashkenazi Gentiles married to Ashkenazi Gentiles= Gentiles, not Semitic Jews. False claim to Palestine by Ashkenazis who led the Zionist movement.

[shrike]

Ashkenazi Gentiles married to Ashkenazi Gentiles= Gentiles, not Semitic Jews

Who is this Ashkenazi Gentiles?There is no such thing.Its oxymoron.

[Boetie]

This Zundel guy wasn't the only one arrested and imprisoned. Check this out

Gerhard Lauck - a True American Nazi

Gerhard Lauck was sentenced with a felony and detained in a German prison for several years, for mailing newspapers from America.

If you want some more chuckles and laughs here is the link to the home page

America's Nazi Party - The National Socialist Movement

[arielmessenger]

Quote by: shrike Who is this Ashkenazi Gentiles?There is no such thing.Its oxymoron.

Ashkenazis come from Turko-Slav Khazar kingdom converts to Judaism. Turko-Slavs are not Semitic Jews, never were, not even Semitic. They are Gentiles in other words. Is a Chinese Muslim an Arab? The true oxymoronic claim is the Ashkenazi one of being "Semitic Jews".

[shrike]

Ashkenazis come from Turko-Slav Khazar kingdom converts to Judaism. Turko-Slavs are not Semitic Jews, never were, not even Semitic. They are Gentiles in other words. Is a Chinese Muslim an Arab? The true oxymoronic claim is the Ashkenazi one of being "Semitic Jews

Do you have some scientific proof to your wild theory.Btw dont forget to disprove genetic researches that I brought earlier