Too late to halt Iran's N-bomb, EU is told

[shrike]

Too late to halt Iran's N-bomb, EU is told - Financial Times - MSNBC.com

A Iran will be able to develop enough weapons-grade material for a nuclear bomb and there is little that can be done to prevent it, an internal European Union document has concluded. In an admission of the international community's failure to hold back Iran's nuclear ambitions, the document – compiled by the staff of Javier Solana, EU foreign policy chief – says the atomic programme has been delayed only by technical limitations rather than diplomatic pressure. "Attempts to engage the Iranian administration in a negotiating process have not so far succeeded," it states.

[Joe Doakes]

Maybe if the "international community",and the E.U.and U.S. had spent more time building friendly relationships and minding one's own business,Iran would not be interested in the bomb.

[Osborn F Enready]

As long as one nation has Nukes, all nations will work to achieve Nukes.

Its common sense in the name of national defense, regardless of what country you are.

[G. Adams]

This smells like the same kind of bullshit as before. Moreover, so what if they can make weapons grade material, which means uranium, if they don't have the skills to build a succesful detonator yet?

This is just hype for the coming war.

[RickSp]

It looks like now that the Bush administration has finally started negotiations with North Korea, that North Korea might agree to give up its nuclear weapons program. Rather foolish to wait to begin negotiotiaions until after the North Koreans developed nukes but better than nothing.

And now the Bush admistration refuses to engage in and constructive diplomacy with Iran, preferring instead to constantly threaten war in a fool's chorus with Isreal. Complete madness.

[RickSp]

Quote by: G. Adams This smells like the same kind of bullshit as before. Moreover, so what if they can make weapons grade material, which means uranium, if they don't have the skills to build a succesful detonator yet? This is just hype for the coming war.

Given that recent reports have suggested that the Iranians are nowhere near keeping the necessary trains of centrifuges running, the caveat that "atomic programme has been delayed only by technical limitations" is the elephant in the corner.

The CIA estimates that if all goes well the Iranians may possibly achieve a nuclear weapon in a decade or so, while it appears that the Bush administration wants to start another war by March or April.

[xyzer]

Maybe if the "international community",and the E.U.and U.S. had spent more time building friendly relationships and minding one's own business,Iran would not be interested in the bomb

What bugs me is this kind of thinking? It absolves the perpetrator.."Ahwannjihad" the obvious madman in Iran from culpability? Even in the face of world concern, this nut keeps saying he will destroy Israel and blaming the ills of the middle east on the Jews? All the while attempting to build a WMD? And we suggest building better relationships is the answer?

To say that the rest of the world should be attempting to build better relationship is the essence, nuts! Iran, under this dictator, is an international pariah! Interfering in Iraq and at the same time threatening to destroy Israel doesn't strike me as trying to build friendly relations..does it to you? What is the west supposed to say?..please don't threaten us with a jihad? Please attend counselling and get you head straight Ahwanna?

The UN and most of the rest of the world want a peaceful world. This maniac threatens such harmony on a daily basis and we should call for more friendly relationships???? Sounds like Kerry talk?

Tell me why is Iran interfering with the sovereignty of Iraq. That country has its own elected government and is trying to resolve sectarian differences? Why is Iraq arming one side or the other and sponsering terrorist activity?

[Osborn F Enready]

xyzer said: Why is Iraq arming one side or the other and sponsering terrorist activity?

Why does the U.S.?

We have done it for years.

[Joe Doakes]

Quote by: xyzer What bugs me is this kind of thinking? It absolves the perpetrator.."Ahwannjihad" the obvious madman in Iran from culpability? Even in the face of world concern, this nut keeps saying he will destroy Israel and blaming the ills of the middle east on the Jews? All the while attempting to build a WMD? And we suggest building better relationships is the answer? To say that the rest of the world should be attempting to build better relationship is the essence, nuts! Iran, under this dictator, is an international pariah! Interfering in Iraq and at the same time threatening to destroy Israel doesn't strike me as trying to build friendly relations..does it to you? What is the west supposed to say?..please don't threaten us with a jihad? Please attend counselling and get you head straight Ahwanna? The UN and most of the rest of the world want a peaceful world. This maniac threatens such harmony on a daily basis and we should call for more friendly relationships???? Sounds like Kerry talk? Tell me why is Iran interfering with the sovereignty of Iraq. That country has its own elected government and is trying to resolve sectarian differences? Why is Iraq arming one side or the other and sponsering terrorist activity?

Interesting analysis on the situation in Iran.Notice in my post i said "had spent more time"(past tense) instead of meddling in the affairs of others,maybe these nut jobs would have never come to power.When is this nation going to learn to mind it's own business?.Please refer me to the section in the Constitution where it says we are to be the boss and policeman of the world,thankyou.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: xyzer What bugs me is this kind of thinking? It absolves the perpetrator.."Ahwannjihad" the obvious madman in Iran from culpability? Even in the face of world concern, this nut keeps saying he will destroy Israel and blaming the ills of the middle east on the Jews? All the while attempting to build a WMD? And we suggest building better relationships is the answer?

Xyzer, old buddy, just how informed are you about what is motivating this kind of speech from a world leader?


How much do you know of your own countries covert operations against them? How much of the spying? How much of the political bullying?

Quote by: xyzer To say that the rest of the world should be attempting to build better relationship is the essence, nuts! Iran, under this dictator, is an international pariah! Interfering in Iraq and at the same time threatening to destroy Israel doesn't strike me as trying to build friendly relations..does it to you? What is the west supposed to say?..please don't threaten us with a jihad? Please attend counselling and get you head straight Ahwanna?

Iran interferes in Iraq huh?


Well lets ask ourselves, if Iran invaded Canada, do you think your government would covertly supply arms to the Canadians?


To suggest that neighbor of the country your country invaded is "interfering" is the height of hypocrisy.

Quote by: xyzer The UN and most of the rest of the world want a peaceful world. This maniac threatens such harmony on a daily basis and we should call for more friendly relationships???? Sounds like Kerry talk?

Sure they threaten, because they know it's the only way to have that news penetrate the Western media umbrella, otherwise it would warrant a mention.


The threats are always about retaliation, but you never seem to ask yourself what is the retaliation for, because your sure in your mind that it's the Jihad that the news blaming every night on your TV set. However that is just the cover story, the pretext for the coming hostilities. Never mind that the conflict is already well under way, and was started covertly, by order of your governemnt.


Yeah, those Iranians are interfering alright. Interfering in the covert takeover of yet another government. Interfering in the act of your government setting up yet another puppet show to please the ignorant masses.

[shrike]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready As long as one nation has Nukes, all nations will work to achieve Nukes. Its common sense in the name of national defense, regardless of what country you are.

You right of course.But the question here what should West to do about it.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: shrike You right of course.But the question here what should West to do about it.

Perhaps just come to terms with it, and quit making them all out to be the enemies of "civilization".

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready As long as one nation has Nukes, all nations will work to achieve Nukes. Its common sense in the name of national defense, regardless of what country you are.

I disagree. I think as long as the technology exists to give nations further power, they will seek it out. Let's not pretend this is about defense because it really isn't. Everyone realizes that in this day in age if a nuclear weapon is used it will more or less institute MAD.

If every country who had nukes suddenly and completely disarmed tomorrow, it wouldn't erase the history or concept of nuclear weapons. Anyone seeking power would realize that "Gee, if I had a nuclear weapon when the rest of the world didn't, I would be in a much greater position than I am now." That's the motivation.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: RickSp It looks like now that the Bush administration has finally started negotiations with North Korea, that North Korea might agree to give up its nuclear weapons program. Rather foolish to wait to begin negotiotiaions until after the North Koreans developed nukes but better than nothing. And now the Bush admistration refuses to engage in and constructive diplomacy with Iran, preferring instead to constantly threaten war in a fool's chorus with Isreal. Complete madness.

Perhaps they can achieve the same "success" in regards to stemming Korea's nuclear ambitions as the previous adminstration had.

What hokum!

As long as N. Korea is run by the likes of Kim Jong (mentally) il, there is no chance of effective diplomacy (an oxymoron if not backed up by the real threat of consequence for breaking an agreement). One does not treat with one who has shown himself incapable of standing by his word.

[RickSp]

Quote by: Apeman81 Perhaps they can achieve the same "success" in regards to stemming Korea's nuclear ambitions as the previous adminstration had. What hokum! As long as N. Korea is run by the likes of Kim Jong (mentally) il, there is no chance of effective diplomacy (an oxymoron if not backed up by the real threat of consequence for breaking an agreement). One does not treat with one who has shown himself incapable of standing by his word.

It appears that you prefer bellicose bullshit that accomplishes nothing to diplomacy that accomplishes something. Not a good choice.

[pikatore]

Quote by: shrike You right of course.But the question here what should West to do about it.

Mind thier own stinking business, that's what. I don't see Iran or North Korea preparing for world domination anytime soon, so I don't see a reason for any other countries to stick thier fat noses into it.

[notworthabean]

because we don't want leaders who threaten to nuke our allies (like iran) or leaders who are desparet for money( like kim jong il) to have nukes.

[RickSp]

Quote by: notworthabean because we don't want leaders who threaten to nuke our allies (like iran) or leaders who are desparet for money( like kim jong il) to have nukes.

Well let's see.

Previous adminstration - negotiations, number of North Korean nukes - zero.

Current administration - macho threats, no negotitiations, number of North Korean nukes - three or four.

It is nice that the Bush boys finally stopped pounding their chests and came back to the bargaining table. Better late than never.

So rather than engaging the Iranians in dialog as recommended by the Baker Commission Bush makes impotent threats and sends two carriers groups. Talk about never ever learning from his own mistakes.

[pikatore]

Quote by: notworthabean because we don't want leaders who threaten to nuke our allies (like iran) or leaders who are desparet for money( like kim jong il) to have nukes.

MAD theory will of course be taken into effect. Kim Jong Il would have to be completely and utterly insane to threaten the Western world with nukes, since there would then be a few nukes with his name written on them, which I'm sure he doesnt want.

[Apeman81]

"Previous adminstration - negotiations, number of North Korean nukes - zero."

RickSP, you can't really be that ignorant. It's just too unlikely that your cognitive abilities are that low. So I must conclude that as an ideologue, you despise republicans, and likely George Bush in particular, to such a degree that you are willing to mutter this mindless diatribe rather than discuss the issue rationally.

Or could it be that you seriously believe that during the diplomacy of the 90s, Korea halted nuclear weapons development, only to start it afresh once ole George took the reigns?

Diplomacy is a pattern of give and take. If diplomacy results in one side giving, the other taking and giving nothing in return, it is no longer diplomacy. It is appeasement