Aussie President John Howard slams Obama...

[rmnunez]

Too sad, maybe its "art"? There is a statement, Hillary appears to have a rope around her neck and is choking with her tongue sticking out. The turban on Obama is of a specific Muslim sect, there could be a message there too. Aren't constitutionally guaranteed fundamental rights jeopardized here, what of freedom of expression, particularly of a political nature? Seems a lot like censorship to me.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Compugasm I guess in the early 1900's these kind of political cartoons were novel, considering there were so few media outlets compared to now. However, I'll be happy not to see pictures of Hillary in a burka, like it's some sort of clever political statement. In fact, I feel sad for anyone who thinks pictures of GWB as a monkey is funny. Bonus sadness given to anyone who wastes their hard earned dollars on this useless merchandise.

I get a kick out of it if it's done well.


For instance, we have a local DJ who constanly refers to Illinois Senator Dick Durbin as Dick Turban. I laugh every single time. Of course I believe Dick to be an enemy, so I don't see an issue with the association. I'm laughing at the mental image it paints.

[brien]

Quote by: Compugasm I guess in the early 1900's these kind of political cartoons were novel, considering there were so few media outlets compared to now. However, I'll be happy not to see pictures of Hillary in a burka, like it's some sort of clever political statement. In fact, I feel sad for anyone who thinks pictures of GWB as a monkey is funny. Bonus sadness given to anyone who wastes their hard earned dollars on this useless merchandise.

It is not only amusing to see these cartoons, but also instructive as it links political satire to politicians. What are we to become, the same people who called for the head of the cartoonist who lampooned the Muslims and Allah in Denmark?

No, it is best left to artistic license what is expressed in political cartoons. This is clearly a First Amendment right of free speech. Because it offends someone's political ideology is no reason to deny a trademark and that decision by Karen Bush should be appealed in the appropriate US courts.

Bonus sadness given to anyone who wastes their hard earned dollars on this useless merchandise

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I guess I get bonus sadness because I bought a wristwatch several years ago that has a picture of Bill Clinton on the face handing out pardons with one hand, and taking cash, with the other. A true collectible.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Milton Bradley You are welcome to your own definitions. Notice that I never tried to correct you, or invite further discussion on that matter. I'm perfectly content to agree to disagree on this matter. But just for clarification purposes... Do you completely refuse to entertain the thought that they could have been complicit? Or have you arrived at other conclusions on your own, or just ratioanlized away as "conspiracy"?

I have considered it. I watched the Yahoo video (which I wil admit was very moving and well put together). Then came back to reality and realized how foolish and insulting the idea of the US government being response for 9/11 was.

[Nono]

Hey Genius, your calling Howard "president" of Australia speaks volumes.

One thing that has proved a big problem in the US is that the political leader is simultaneously head of state and so has all that regal aura.
Shit, look how hard it was to get rid of Nixon.

[GHook93]

Quote by: The_Genius Demented? I'm surprised Bradley didn't call you a brainwashed puppet that only believes what US media broadcasts. US government was involved in 9/11... There are many evidences too. I suggest everybody watches the documentary called "Loose Change 9/11". I must stress that this documentary was produced by fellow truth-loving white americans, before Ghook points out it's a "Muslim conspiracy theory". Here is the website... Loose Change Website - Version 2.0 ...yall should actually watch the documentary before screaming out "conspiracy theory". Make up your own mind!

I seen it before buddy! The US government involvement was a B.S. American conspired theory. The Muslim conjured up the even less plausible Israeli/Jewish involvement!

Why does it not suprise me that someone that self-proclaims themself as "the Genius" is so naive to believe this bull-shit.

Your Muslim brothers murdered the people on 9/11, that is a fact!

[jose]

The Israeli owner of the Mossad "front" company who fled to Israel after his "movers" were caught filming the World Trade Center attacks remains at large although the FBI, which has an office in Tel Aviv, has his name on its terror suspect list. A leaked "FBI Suspect List" circulated among financial institutions in Italy shows that Dominik Suter, the Israeli owner of Urban Moving Systems who fled in haste to Israel after 9-11, is among those suspected of being behind the terror attacks. Despite the presence of an FBI office in Tel Aviv and the "intimate relationship" between U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies, Suter apparently remains out-of-reach and at large.

Israel Harbors Prime 9/11 Terror Suspect

[brien]

Shit, look how hard it was to get rid of Nixon

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At least he resigned.

[brien]

Despite the presence of an FBI office in Tel Aviv and the "intimate relationship" between U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies, Suter apparently remains out-of-reach and at large.

Where is the Constitutional authority for the FBI to have jurisdiction, or even an office, in Tel Aviv? Is Israel the 51st state?

[Gods_Mercenary]

Nixon actually wasn't a horrible president, he just treated politics like war, which it shouldn't be.

[rmnunez]

that decision by Karen Bush should be appealed in the appropriate US courts.

I agree, this is a 1st Amendment issue. It was a US Patent Office determination, they have an appeals process, its printed on the reverse of the claim available at the source of the picture. There is an administrative proceeding which must be gone through or may be overriden with a constitutional claim if refered to a Federal Court.

Aren't US Senators somehow specifically priviledged under whatever statutes brought about their establishment of the US Patent Office?

[Compugasm]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary Nixon actually wasn't a horrible president, he just treated politics like war, which it shouldn't be.

There is a documentary about his presidency on the History Channel tonight.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Hah, you're right, what a coincidence!

[Compugasm]

It was boring. It was on twice, and I fell asleep both times trying to watch it.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: brien Where is the Constitutional authority for the FBI to have jurisdiction, or even an office, in Tel Aviv? Is Israel the 51st state?

The FBI is responsible for carrying out security clearance investigations on imagrants applying for and in the process of becoming U.S. Citizens. Many of these investigations must take place in the country of origin. International offices are far more cost affective than the constant travel this would require.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Quote by: Compugasm It was boring. It was on twice, and I fell asleep both times trying to watch it.

I watched a half hour of it, enough to revise my opinion, he had a horrible war strategy, and was far to "us against them " to be a good president in that time, another, less divisive time, maybe, but not then. It's funny that the proof he knew about watergate came from his own wiretaps.

[Nono]

Quote by: Gawd Nixon actually wasn't a horrible president.

Ask the Cambodians about that.

I agree that Boy George makes even Nixon look good (hell, even Reagan look good). Quite a feat.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Hey, I sort of liked reagan, at least he got things done. I've sort of recanted on my original stnce about nixon.

[Nono]

Quote by: Gawd I've sort of recanted on my original stnce about nixon.

Yes, as I've said on this board before, even I sort of miss the son-of-a-bitch. At least he took government seriously (instead of viewing it only as a means of further enriching rich cronies, as the Busheviks do).

And he did attempt (however badly) to act responsibly on the international scene, whereas it's pure kindergarten level with Bush.

But Evil Dick did have, well, evil in him. For one thing he needlessly prolonged the Vietnam War for years before he finally did what he could have done upon taking office: end it. Lotta pointlessly spilled blood, lotta tragedy and grief there. It was criminal.

[Gods_Mercenary]

He saw the protesters seeming like enemies, and he decided he couldn't do anything tht would please them, as I said, he treated internal politics like war and was way too paranoid.