Klan growing, fed by anti-immigrant feelings, report says

[GHook93]

Klan growing, fed by anti-immigrant feelings, report says - CNN.com

NEW YORK (AP) -- The Ku Klux Klan has rebounded by exploiting current hot-button issues, especially immigration, according to a new report released by the Anti-Defamation League. The Klan, and other white supremacist groups like skinheads and neo-Nazis, grew significantly more active in the past year, holding more rallies, distributing leaflets and increasing their presence on the Internet -- much of it focused on stirring anti-immigrant sentiment, according to the report. Old Klan chapters have been revived and new ones started throughout the South, historically the heart of the group, and in other places such as Michigan, Iowa and New Jersey, says the report. Last May in Alabama, an anti-immigration rally included slogans such as, "Let's get rid of the Mexicans!" according to the document, titled "Ku Klux Klan Rebounds." "The Klan is increasingly cooperating with other extremist groups and Neo-Nazi groups," Lauter said. "That's a new phenomenon." Between 2000 and 2005, hate groups mushroomed 33 percent and Klan chapters by 63 percent, according to Mark Potok, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate crimes. Precise data are difficult to pin down, but Potok's group counts as many as 150 Klan chapters with up to 8,000 members nationwide. More than 800 hate groups exist around the country, Southern Poverty research shows. A burning cross on the front lawn Many Latinos are feeling the effects firsthand. Last September, a Kentucky family originally from El Salvador found a wooden cross burning on their front lawn just weeks after they moved in. Earlier last year, a Latino teenager in Houston was brutally beaten and sodomized while one attacker screamed "White Power!" The victim barely survived, and one attacker was sentenced to life in prison.

Hope this isn't true, sadly I believe it is. Man, some groups that should die never will. :eek:

PatrickHenry, care to shed some light on the Clan!

[Osborn F Enready]

I can't believe the people making the laws, didn't expect this.

Its a natural cause effect relationship.

The cause, massive influxes of immigrants due to our FAR TOO LONG unprotected border, coupled with the growing prevalence of "gang" mentality on the rise among all economic groups under age 20, especially focused on the middle class now, since most of their jobs are being off-shored and extra pressures from that are affecting the home lives drasticly.

When you look back over the last 25 years, has there not been a huge cause and effect relationship between drug-laws and low-income area street gangs. The prohibition of drugs, and the ensuing prosecutions of mass proportions from having joints to kilos of cocaine, across the boards, fired up the gang mentality in these low income areas. These are areas where the public schools suck, the parents (usually one instead of two) work most of the time and do little raising of their own children, depending on the state schools to do the job for them since they "seemingly" welcomed it for many years, have now become dependent on that as wages stay the same, but jobs get harder to come by, and longer days for the ones that are there. The famillies are barely getting by, due to the large influx of low-educated workers taking their jobs for progressively lower amounts of pay. When selling illegal drugs can provide an easy $2000.00 a week, and working 60 hours at the best job you can get earns you $270.00 a week after taxes, the choice is clear of which is more profitable, granted, with added risk. How do you minimize that risk in their position? Form gangs, to protect each other, and make it easier to move product in greater volume. One side effect is that many get hooked on their own product, making the entire effort pointless, since they often can consume all or almost all of their earnings. Legally jobless, and being destitute, they can then claim state welfare, draining the system of its funds also, as well as the taxpayer of his dollars, in both cause (crime) and effect (enforcement of ever-increasing laws). Both sides get more divided, and more violent in their opposition as both sides elevate the scales of profit and cost. Its a circle of madness.

The effect of all of that, is that all gangs are starting to get increased membership as more people feel they "have to look out for their own", and damn the consequences. This causes more racial gangs to grow (Klan, Black Panthers, etc, ) as a result of the increasing threat of "non-pure races" in their words, creating an underworld without them, and against them. Both of these combined, racial and street gangs, force people who are law abiding citizens to become more concerned for safety, period, resulting in both "left and right" to take their own approach, Leftists want more gun control and more invasion of privacy and life in child raising and community enforcement, while the Right wingers want less gun control, and more "police state" type authority over everything and everyone. Meanwhile, the rights oriented middle politics, rights based citizen is left with their head spinning, their economy becoming more consolidated, their military purpose being abused, their police being used as "crowd control" against citizens pissed at the very government the people are supposed to check and limit in its authority.



Its a circle of madness, driven by ignorance, denial and misinformation by a corporate owned government, media and slowly becoming, the world.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I can't believe the people making the laws, didn't expect this. Its a natural cause effect relationship. The cause, massive influxes of immigrants due to our FAR TOO LONG unprotected border, coupled with the growing prevalence of "gang" mentality on the rise among all economic groups under age 20, especially focused on the middle class now, since most of their jobs are being off-shored and extra pressures from that are affecting the home lives drasticly. When you look back over the last 25 years, has there not been a huge cause and effect relationship between drug-laws and low-income area street gangs. The prohibition of drugs, and the ensuing prosecutions of mass proportions from having joints to kilos of cocaine, across the boards, fired up the gang mentality in these low income areas. These are areas where the public schools suck, the parents (usually one instead of two) work most of the time and do little raising of their own children, depending on the state schools to do the job for them since they "seemingly" welcomed it for many years, have now become dependent on that as wages stay the same, but jobs get harder to come by, and longer days for the ones that are there. The famillies are barely getting by, due to the large influx of low-educated workers taking their jobs for progressively lower amounts of pay. When selling illegal drugs can provide an easy $2000.00 a week, and working 60 hours at the best job you can get earns you $270.00 a week after taxes, the choice is clear of which is more profitable, granted, with added risk. How do you minimize that risk in their position? Form gangs, to protect each other, and make it easier to move product in greater volume. One side effect is that many get hooked on their own product, making the entire effort pointless, since they often can consume all or almost all of their earnings. Legally jobless, and being destitute, they can then claim state welfare, draining the system of its funds also, as well as the taxpayer of his dollars, in both cause (crime) and effect (enforcement of ever-increasing laws). Both sides get more divided, and more violent in their opposition as both sides elevate the scales of profit and cost. Its a circle of madness. The effect of all of that, is that all gangs are starting to get increased membership as more people feel they "have to look out for their own", and damn the consequences. This causes more racial gangs to grow (Klan, Black Panthers, etc, ) as a result of the increasing threat of "non-pure races" in their words, creating an underworld without them, and against them. Both of these combined, racial and street gangs, force people who are law abiding citizens to become more concerned for safety, period, resulting in both "left and right" to take their own approach, Leftists want more gun control and more invasion of privacy and life in child raising and community enforcement, while the Right wingers want less gun control, and more "police state" type authority over everything and everyone. Meanwhile, the rights oriented middle politics, rights based citizen is left with their head spinning, their economy becoming more consolidated, their military purpose being abused, their police being used as "crowd control" against citizens pissed at the very government the people are supposed to check and limit in its authority. Its a circle of madness, driven by ignorance, denial and misinformation by a corporate owned government, media and slowly becoming, the world.

Wow! You can't possibly be blaming the rise in the Clan to Gangs and the war on drugs. That is like blaming the rape victim for dressing sexy.

[Osborn F Enready]

How is it the same cappy?

Please show me you have at least read my post before your one line reply?

[GHook93]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready How is it the same cappy? Please show me you have at least read my post before your one line reply?

Everything you mention in your post talked about gangs and drugs. You do the math. :rolleyes:


Here is proof I read it - and????

Its a circle of madness, driven by ignorance, denial and misinformation by a corporate owned government, media and slowly becoming, the world.

[Osborn F Enready]

Well, after some others post, I will come back and be clearer in connecting the logic.

[Kamehameha34]

Drug money is hardly "easy money". I've posted this link for you, once before

http://www.soros.org/initiatives/jus...rugselling.pdf

Anyway, I don't disagree with you in principle. The government shouldn't try to compress a cow into a pig, then be suprised that it just moves over a step.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Well, after some others post, I will come back and be clearer in connecting the logic.

Just explain what you were trying to say, because it appeared, at least to me, that you were blaming the raise of the KKK on gangs and drugs!

[GHook93]

Quote by: Kamehameha34 Drug money is hardly "easy money". I've posted this link for you, once before http://www.soros.org/initiatives/jus...rugselling.pdf Anyway, I don't disagree with you in principle. The government shouldn't try to compress a cow into a pig, then be suprised that it just moves over a step.

It is besides the point. I don't believe drugs and gangs are the reason the Klan is growing. I would attribute these reasons (granted I don't agree with any of this):

1) Rise and publicity of Islamic extremist
2) Illegal immigration - especially from Mexico.
3) 9/11
4) Raise of acceptance of Homosexuality in the mainstream public and media
5) Publicity of Israel and the problem associated with it
6) High rate of crime amongst the African American community
7) Rise of inter-racial marriages and couples
8) Affirmative Action
9) Etc.

Again, PH, care to shed some light on the Clan!

[Osborn F Enready]

Ghook, I was trying to say that as people trust the government less, the more they form "like minded groups", or gangs, or militias, or political parties.
This is a product of increasing polarization, that is a direct result of politics that is monopolized by two "corrupt" parties controlling a system of government that is becoming less and less effected, and trusted by the majority of the people.

The effect is fragmentalization, the cause is authoritarianism.

More and more of the population is being isolated and abused by the legal system, and fewer and fewer agree with the "justice" being dealt.

That is the logic.

The biggest movement of authoritarian encroachment started with illegalizing drugs, and then in the 80's, Reagans attempt to launch a new zeal of enforcement and prohibition with mandatory minimums, and creating new means and methods for taxing the taxpayers for what they deemed at the time a "social TERROR" of drugs being unleashed on the public.

This concept has grown, and is being applied to all types of things now from proposed talks of abortion law reversals, to the Constitutional Violations of the Patriot Act, and War Powers.

The government is viewing a large portion of its citizens as "terrorist" or "potential terrorists", and it is akin to the "growing paranoia" of a Hitler in the making.

People need to see the problem for what it is, which is the attempt to over-step the common bounds which we draw limitation of governmental right to dictate, our individual rights or their encroachment. They are using the law to turn people against themselves, to ensure more demand and more dependence on the system itself, effecting long term job security for politicians and their growing police state, but also eventually giving them police power of the globe.

If you think two choices for 300,000,000 people is a bad deal, imagine a world of 6.2 billion people having only two choices, which is their goal.

There is a powerful storm brewing, and fragmentalization is one of many clear signs showing the growing disenfranchisement of the people, from their government and economy.

The scary part is the governments reaction to what is happening, which is further encroachment of civil liberties, yet another clear sign of mini-Hitlers in the making, and its spread like a disease all across the political two party spectrum.

[ghost_stalker]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I can't believe the people making the laws, didn't expect this. Its a natural cause effect relationship. The cause, massive influxes of immigrants due to our FAR TOO LONG unprotected border, coupled with the growing prevalence of "gang" mentality on the rise among all economic groups under age 20, especially focused on the middle class now, since most of their jobs are being off-shored and extra pressures from that are affecting the home lives drasticly. When you look back over the last 25 years, has there not been a huge cause and effect relationship between drug-laws and low-income area street gangs. The prohibition of drugs, and the ensuing prosecutions of mass proportions from having joints to kilos of cocaine, across the boards, fired up the gang mentality in these low income areas. These are areas where the public schools suck, the parents (usually one instead of two) work most of the time and do little raising of their own children, depending on the state schools to do the job for them since they "seemingly" welcomed it for many years, have now become dependent on that as wages stay the same, but jobs get harder to come by, and longer days for the ones that are there. The famillies are barely getting by, due to the large influx of low-educated workers taking their jobs for progressively lower amounts of pay. When selling illegal drugs can provide an easy $2000.00 a week, and working 60 hours at the best job you can get earns you $270.00 a week after taxes, the choice is clear of which is more profitable, granted, with added risk. How do you minimize that risk in their position? Form gangs, to protect each other, and make it easier to move product in greater volume. One side effect is that many get hooked on their own product, making the entire effort pointless, since they often can consume all or almost all of their earnings. Legally jobless, and being destitute, they can then claim state welfare, draining the system of its funds also, as well as the taxpayer of his dollars, in both cause (crime) and effect (enforcement of ever-increasing laws). Both sides get more divided, and more violent in their opposition as both sides elevate the scales of profit and cost. Its a circle of madness. The effect of all of that, is that all gangs are starting to get increased membership as more people feel they "have to look out for their own", and damn the consequences. This causes more racial gangs to grow (Klan, Black Panthers, etc, ) as a result of the increasing threat of "non-pure races" in their words, creating an underworld without them, and against them. Both of these combined, racial and street gangs, force people who are law abiding citizens to become more concerned for safety, period, resulting in both "left and right" to take their own approach, Leftists want more gun control and more invasion of privacy and life in child raising and community enforcement, while the Right wingers want less gun control, and more "police state" type authority over everything and everyone. Meanwhile, the rights oriented middle politics, rights based citizen is left with their head spinning, their economy becoming more consolidated, their military purpose being abused, their police being used as "crowd control" against citizens pissed at the very government the people are supposed to check and limit in its authority. Its a circle of madness, driven by ignorance, denial and misinformation by a corporate owned government, media and slowly becoming, the world.

For those of you who didn't understand:confused: he is merely pointing out that the decrease in the amount of low-class jobs, and the decrease in pay for those jobs can be attributed to the effects of illegal immigration. And that there is a connection between the lack of jobs and lower salaries that is caused by the hiring of illegal immigrants, and the lack of a source of income may drive low-class families to resort to another means of income (drugs).

[Osborn F Enready]

And don't forget, that is now starting to be focused on the middle class also.

That is why so many more "claimed" average folks are now getting upset, and being put in the same boat.

[RickSp]

There is nothing surprising about the recent grow of the Klan. The Klan grew in response to the liberation of the blacks in the South and then spread across the country when white Americans felt threatened by the boom in immigration in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

We are now encountering a rise of nativism and bigotry in response to both the unflux of Mexican immigrants and the 9/11 attacks. The Klan in the 1920s opposed Catholism and Judiasm. Now they oppose Islam, Catholicism and Judiasm. In the 20s the Klan spread bigotry toward black skinned folks. Now they target brown skinned immigrants.

The Klan has always recieved aid and comfort from the mainstream. Much of what the Klan says about immigrants isn't so different from what one hears from elected officials from either major party. Congressman Virgil Goode's bile aimed at Muslims could be straight out of Klan literature.

[Osborn F Enready]

Rick said: Congressman Virgil Goode's bile aimed at Muslims could be straight out of Klan literature.

Agreed.

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: RickSp We are now encountering a rise of nativism and bigotry in response to both the unflux of Mexican immigrants and the 9/11 attacks.

Spoken like one that benefits from the cheap labor the "unflux" provides. Same tired old rhetoric - we're supposed to welcome and embrace all the various foreign cultures that want to come here and take advantage of the infrastructure that we have built, yet if anyone dares to profess a desire to maintain our own culture he's immediately labelled a bigot. I think I remember that you run some sort of trucking business, is that correct?

[RickSp]

Once again Z, you don't know what the hell you are talking about. No, I do not run a trucking business.

American culture is a blend of a myriad of cultures from around the world. You claim "a desire to maintain [your] own culture". What culture is that? White bread only? Sounds boring to me.

[ghost_stalker]

Quote by: RickSp Once again Z, you don't know what the hell you are talking about. No, I do not run a trucking business. American culture is a blend of a myriad of cultures from around the world. You claim "a desire to maintain [your] own culture". What culture is that? White bread only? Sounds boring to me.

Although i do disagree with hate groups. I also think that illegal immigration needs to be stopped, immediately. They come against our laws and wishes, have no loyalty to the us, will commit crimes against our people, and take benefits from our system, while hurting our economy by sending the money they make here back to their native country. They should not be given any lienaincy to bypass our immigration policies, and if they expect to live in this country and benefit from our sources of labor, and our public systems they should have to go through the same process any other legal immigrant should go through, if they commit a crime here they should be deported, if mexico doesn't incarcerate thier criminals that come to the us illegally and commit crimes then the us should put economical pressure on mexico. We need a system to keep the illegals out of our country (whether they have already snuck past the border or not), to make sure that they cannot benefit from this country if they do come illegally, and to have a system if an illegal alien commits a crime that he should be deported and his home country for punishment.

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: RickSp Once again Z, you don't know what the hell you are talking about. No, I do not run a trucking business.

That's why I asked. Maybe that was Brien.

Quote by: RickSp American culture is a blend of a myriad of cultures from around the world. You claim "a desire to maintain [your] own culture". What culture is that? White bread only? Sounds boring to me.

My culture is the culture I grew up with. When I was a kid in school, I worked at a dairy. The dairy was owned by a Dutch couple that came to America legally, arriving with $8. They worked their way out to California, started working at the dairy, and ended up buying it from their boss. I worked there with Portuguese, Mexican, German, and other nationalities. They all came to America to be Americans, they didn't come to be Dutch in America, or Portuguese, or any other nationality in America. They didn't expect special treatment, they assimilated into the culture that they had chosen to be a part of. They didn't expect the taxpayers to foot the bills for ESL, special ballots, or other special social programs. Yeah, America is a "blend of a myriad of cultures from around the world", but they came here legally, in a controlled manner. The Dutch people I worked for are great, they're like a second set of parents to me. I'm all for that kind of immigration.

[loser]

What is a hate group? ADL? NAACP? NOW? ACLU? NRA? Democratic Party? Republican Party? Dixie Chicks? GLAAD? MADD? SADD? Blue October?

Isn't it hateful to call someone a hate group? Is it really a hate group if people love to attend?

I think hate is a little overrated...just like love.

I don't think that I am quite ready to join a hate group...are there any dislike groups available?

I think the biggest and worst hate group of all is the one called...

...the human race!

What are we going to do about it?

I think legalizing drugs is the answer...people seem to be happier when they are doped up.

[grandpa]

This shouldn't surprise anyone. When a social problem is invented and the only solution offered to the invented problem is further conflict, negative feelings are bound to develop, even feeding into "hate groups" (including nations themselves, which can obviously function remarkably like hate groups).

Nationalism and the state in general tend to be tied with distrust and phobias.
Meanwhile, the "illegal" master status pretty well guarantees that those bearing the label will not be heard on the issue. They'll be too busy having the state's boots on their necks in the name of protecting America.

Grandpa h.