UN passes resolution to end bloodshed

[shrike]

The UN Security Council has unanimously passed a resolution that calls for an end to the bloodshed in Lebanon and Israel and authorises up to 15,000 UN troops to help enforce it. The 15-0 vote capped weeks of anguished negotiations at the United Nations and elsewhere and is the first measure aimed at ending a month of fighting between Israel and Hezbollah militia that has killed some 1,000 Lebanese and 121 Israelis. The resolution calls for a "full cessation of hostilities" and tells Hezbollah to stop all attacks immediately and Israel to end "all offensive operations." A deal on the resolution's text, negotiated by the United States and France, was announced only hours before the vote by Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett. Approval from both the Israeli and the Lebanese cabinets is expected this weekend, with leaders of both countries urging ministers to accept the resolution.

UN passes resolution to end bloodshed

[Matt W]

At last. Such a pity that Israel extended the assault just before this....will make it harder to enforce.

[shrike]

Quote by: Matt W At last. Such a pity that Israel extended the assault just before this....will make it harder to enforce.

Quite the opposite. When Israel will withdraw from Lebanon the area it would be cleared from Hezbollah so cease fire will be easier to implement by International force and Lebanon army

[RickSp]

Interesting, launching another offensive on the eve of an agreement for a cease fire. It appears that the Israeli generals, who have completely failed to dislodge Hezbollah, want to make one more attempt before brings the UN to do what it tried to do for a month and failed.

[bishop]

israel's reign of terror didn't do anything to eliminate hezbollah's ability to launch hundreds of rockets into israel on a daily basis. if their mission was to prevent hezbollah from launching rockets into israel, they failed dismally..

but alas, we know what kinds of terrorists the israelis can be. not very surprising that they did what they did...

i'm a little interested in seeing what will happen in lebanon now that the resolution's been passed. nasrallah must be facing some serious heat within lebanon - particularly for the people who (rightly, imo) feel that he's responsible for this mess.. after all, had his group not have kidnapped the israeli soldier, it's highly unlikely that israel would've attacked. perhaps we'll see more civil discord in lebanon.. maybe between shias and sunnis.. maybe christians and muslims..

[jose]

snip. from link
The original story, as most media tell it, goes something like this: Hezbollah attacked an Israeli border patrol station, killing six and taking two soldiers hostage. The incident happened on the Lebanese/Israel border in Israeli territory. The alternate version, as explained by several news outlets, tells a bit of a different tale: These sources contend that Israel sent a commando force into southern Lebanon and was subsequently attacked by Hezbollah near the village of Aitaa al-Chaab, well inside Lebanon's southern territory. It was at this point that an Israel tank was struck by Hezbollah fighters, which resulted in the capture of two Israeli soldiers and the death of six.

As the AFP reported, "According to the Lebanese police force, the two Israeli soldiers were captured in Lebanese territory, in the area of Aitaa al-Chaab, near to the border with Israel, where an Israeli unit had penetrated in middle of morning." And the French news site www.VoltaireNet.org reiterated the same account on June 18, "In a deliberated way, [Israel] sent a commando in the Lebanese back-country to Aitaa al-Chaab. It was attacked by Hezbollah, taking two prisoners."

The Associated Press departed from the official version as well. "The militant group Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting a swift reaction from Israel, which sent ground forces into its neighbor to look for them," reported Joseph Panossian for AP on July 12. "The forces were trying to keep the soldiers' captors from moving them deeper into Lebanon, Israeli government officials said on condition of anonymity."

And the Hindustan Times on July 12 conveyed a similar account:

"The Lebanese Shi'ite Hezbollah movement announced on Wednesday that its guerrillas have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon. 'Implementing our promise to free Arab prisoners in Israeli jails, our strugglers have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon,' a statement by Hezbollah said. 'The two soldiers have already been moved to a safe place,' it added. The Lebanese police said that the two soldiers were captured as they 'infiltrated' into the town of Aitaa al-Chaab inside the Lebanese border."

Whether factual or not, these alternative accounts should at the very least raise serious questions as to Israel's motives and rationale for bombarding Lebanon.

MSNBC online first reported that Hezbollah had captured Israeli soldiers "inside" Lebanon, only to change their story hours later after the Israeli government gave an official statement to the contrary.

A report from The National Council of Arab Americans, based in Lebanon, also raised suspicion that Israel's official story did not hold water and noted that Israel had yet to recover the tank that was demolished during the initial attack in question.

http://www.antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=9401

[Rainbow]

Quote by: bishop israel's reign of terror didn't do anything to eliminate hezbollah's ability to launch hundreds of rockets into israel on a daily basis. if their mission was to prevent hezbollah from launching rockets into israel, they failed dismally..

Are you suggesting that Hezbollah is peace-loving body ?

Israel keeps continue to push deeper into Lebanon, in order to elminate as much and many as possible Hezbollah fighters (along with its supporters) , till U.N. forces take over those positions.
It indicates that Iran has equipped Hezbollah with much greater arsenal than others thought.

[bishop]

what absurd inferences you make... no, i am not suggesting that hezbollah "is peace-loving body"..

perhaps you see some success in israel's mission? hard to show where the success has been, though, since hezbollah's capacity for launching hundreds of rockets on a daily basis hasn't been affected whatsoever..

and this "(along with its supporters)" nonsense... yeah.. i guess that's a good excuse for killing civilians. as good as any israeli would give i'd imagine.

[shrike]

Quote by: bishop perhaps you see some success in israel's mission? hard to show where the success has been, though, since hezbollah's capacity for launching hundreds of rockets on a daily basis hasn't been affected whatsoever

Well I think it does with start of ground operation the rocket attacks diminished by quarter for example today was 50 against 200 about week ago.
I think if the ground operation would start early we would see the same effect.

Following quiet morning with no rockets, fire aimed at northern communities resumed. Rocket land in Krayot area, Akko on Saturday evening; one rocket hits house in Carmiel. More than 50 rockets hit northern communities Saturday; some 3,650 rockets land in Israel since war began Ynet reporters Day 32: More than 50 rockets landed in northern communities Saturday. Six people were lightly injured by shrapnel. The last barrages hit the Akko area at around 7 p.m., causing several people to suffer from shock. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...290055,00.html

[Zeebadee]

This new resolution is nothing but appeasement to Israel. It's in no way any kind of compromise between Hezbollah and Israel, as it gives nothing whatever to Hezbollah. It doesn't even put an end to Israeli aggression, as it only covers Israeli offensive actions, and as we have seen, Israeli calls everything it does defensive. This is nothing but a one-sided temporary truce, with the Israeli's free to continue their indiscriminate bombing and shelling for "defensive" purposes.

Meanwhile, Hezbollah will regroup, stronger than ever now that they have shown themselves able to stand up to the IDF. With the U.S. tied up in Iraq, we won't be able to effectively confront Iran, which will continue to supply Hezbollah with more and better weapons.

This "war" has been a total disaster for Israel.

[shrike]

Quote by: Zeebadee This new resolution is nothing but appeasement to Israel. It's in no way any kind of compromise between Hezbollah and Israel, as it gives nothing whatever to Hezbollah.

Why it should gives anything to Hezbollah terrorist organization that started the whole mess by kidnapping soldiers and attacked Israeli civilians with rockets?

It doesn't even put an end to Israeli aggression, as it only covers Israeli offensive actions, and as we have seen, Israeli calls everything it does defensive. This is nothing but a one-sided temporary truce, with the Israeli's free to continue their indiscriminate bombing and shelling for "defensive" purposes.

The cease fire state clearly the end of all military actions.

Meanwhile, Hezbollah will regroup, stronger than ever now that they have shown themselves able to stand up to the IDF. With the U.S. tied up in Iraq, we won't be able to effectively confront Iran, which will continue to supply Hezbollah with more and better weapons.

We will see

This "war" has been a total disaster for Israel.

Only in your dreams. The Hezbollah will no longer be along Israeli border.

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: shrike Why it should gives anything to Hezbollah terrorist organization that started the whole mess by kidnapping soldiers and attacked Israeli civilians with rockets?

I guess you choose to ignore previous posts that provide evidence that the "kidnapped" soldiers were captured in Lebanon, not in Israel.

Quote by: shrike The cease fire state clearly the end of all military actions.

Another lie. From the resolution text:
"1. Calls for a full cessation of hostilities based upon, in particular, the immediate cessation by Hezbollah of all attacks and the immediate cessation by Israel of all offensive military operations" http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4785963.stm

Quote by: shrike Only in your dreams. The Hezbollah will no longer be along Israeli border.

Hezbollah, or some other group like it, will ALWAYS be along the Israeli border.

[shrike]

Quote by: Zeebadee I guess you choose to ignore previous posts that provide evidence that the "kidnapped" soldiers were captured in Lebanon, not in Israel.

Hezbollah and Lebanese police words are not evidence.
Why Israel should infiltrate Lebanon by foot. It didn't do so after the withdraws in 2000 and especially with reservist soldiers and not some special unit squad?
Also why the remains of the Humvees are on Israeli said of the border?

Another lie. From the resolution text: "1. Calls for a full cessation of hostilities based upon, in particular, the immediate cessation by Hezbollah of all attacks and the immediate cessation by Israel of all offensive military operations" http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4785963.stm

Where did I lie? I bolded the relevant part from you link

Hezbollah, or some other group like it, will ALWAYS be along the Israeli border.

If it will be that way .You could start counting for the next war. My only hope for Israel and Lebanon that you warmonger prediction will not came true.

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: shrike Where did I lie? I bolded the relevant part from you link

"1. Calls for a full cessation of hostilities based upon, in particular, the immediate cessation by Hezbollah of all attacks and the immediate cessation by Israel of all offensive military operations"

Since Israel calls every bombing and shelling defensive actions, they are free to keep up with their indiscriminate attacks.

Quote by: shrike If it will be that way .You could start counting for the next war. My only hope for Israel and Lebanon that you warmonger prediction will not came true.

Israel is the real warmonger here. How many innocent civilians did you kill with your war?

Of course, Israel and the U.S. will continue to push for full implementation of this resolution while ignoring the many others that don't work in Israel's favor. Hypocrites.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: bishop what absurd inferences you make... no, i am not suggesting that hezbollah "is peace-loving body".. perhaps you see some success in israel's mission? hard to show where the success has been, though, since hezbollah's capacity for launching hundreds of rockets on a daily basis hasn't been affected whatsoever.. and this "(along with its supporters)" nonsense... yeah.. i guess that's a good excuse for killing civilians. as good as any israeli would give i'd imagine.

UN passes resolution to end bloodshed
This is your post.

Here, it is the intial part :

Quote by: bishop israel's reign of terror didn't do anything to eliminate hezbollah's ability to launch hundreds of rockets into israel on a daily basis. if their mission was to prevent hezbollah from launching rockets into israel, they failed dismally..

My question has valid bases, since you indicate Israel as a "terror-cultivated party".

Ability to eliminate Hezbollah's potential threat to Israel can not be compared to number of rockets launched into Israel's territory. Further more, it indicates Hezbollah is well armed with steady supplies provided to them on daily basis. Otherwise, there is no resistance Hezbollah can manifest.

What is the "nonesense" with supporters ?
Hezbollah is a military origanization.
Hezbollah does not wear any uniforms, except for some which is being done very occasionally (!)
Do you believe Hezbollah has no supporters among civilians, at least ?
Hezbollah has seats in Lebanese Parliament (!) Is that good-enough support ?
How can you distinguish a civilian from a Hezbollah fighter ? What means are you going to use in order to comply with it ?
You just simply rely on mass-media reports, that have been delivered by those close (with)in and/or in(to) military actions. Number of killed civilians is being provided (to public) by Lebanese hospitals, and some by U.N. posts.
How do they distinguish a civilian from a Hezbollah fighter ? By mustache ? beard ? turban ? other, like clothing ?
Maybe doctors found no weapon by/with him/her ? and That is the information on innocent civilian killed ?

I believe that some civilians died in this conflict. I do not believe that all of them were civilians, though.

What those Israeli military personnel casualties are coming from and/or resulted by ?
What is taking Israel so ling-time to fight unarmed civilians, then ?
Who is launching those rockets, then ?
Are you sure we talk about the same "civilians" ?
Clothing does not necessarilty indicate "innocent civilian".

I stated previously in one of threads :
- Hezbollah is going to pay for Israeli soldiers kidnapping (not quoted)
They knew (from the beginning while kidnapping those Israeli soldiers) that Israel is giong to use Any means. They wanted it, so it is being delivered to them, right in their front-door.

The real rasons behind this whole situation :
- Iran wants to become a dominant power, within the Middl-East region (at least !), and masterminded that whole action
- Syria provided means
- Hezbollah exceuted it
Reasons :
- not to proceed with creating Palestine, as a state
Outcomes :
- the less stable the Middle-East region, greater the influence on technologically advenced states and that means : oil
All that means Money.

They knew civilians are going to be sacrificed in that conflict.
Did they care ? I am afraid they do not give a damn about it, since Iran's position is more important than those (even) thousands (or more) dead, additionally relying on guys like you.
Have they succeeded ? I think they are pleased and/or delighted with outcomes. This is the way they can interact with and influence U.S. and Western states' citizens.
This is the real Politics.

I look forward to see what you are going to post when price for the oil is going to hit $100/barrel, or more, within few years to come. Enjoy your politics, meanwhile.
(The crucial estimate is taken for $150/barrel, as of today, and it may last few years the most. If that emerges, then ,,,)
The price :
- facing unrests (at least)
- eliminating the source
What do you think U.S. governing body will go for ?

[bishop]

Quote by: shrike Well I think it does with start of ground operation the rocket attacks diminished by quarter for example today was 50 against 200 about week ago. I think if the ground operation would start early we would see the same effect.

whatever shrike... this past friday, hezbollah fired some 150 rockets into israel.. the day before that, 136 rockets.. the day before that, 160 rockets.. the day before that, 145 rockets..

etc....

nope... the israeli mission to prevent hezbollah from being able to fire rockets into israel hasn't worked in the slightest stretch of the imagination.. only some apologist would argue that it has imo.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html

[shrike]

Quote by: Zeebadee "1. Calls for a full cessation of hostilities based upon, in particular, the immediate cessation by Hezbollah of all attacks and the immediate cessation by Israel of all offensive military operations" Since Israel calls every bombing and shelling defensive actions, they are free to keep up with their indiscriminate attacks

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Don't be smartass. if Hezbollah cease to fire rockets in Israel. Than IDF will stop their attacks too.

Israel is the real warmonger here. How many innocent civilians did you kill with your war? Of course, Israel and the U.S. will continue to push for full implementation of this resolution while ignoring the many others that don't work in Israel's favor. Hypocrites.[/

I am asking you again why anyone take in account what some Muslim militia that started the whole mess wants?
The Lebanon and Israeli governments accepted the resolutions it good for people of Israel and Lebanon

[bishop]

good that the israeli savages targeted and seemingly destroyed the core of lebanon's infrastructure (electricity, water, oil, etc..), destroyed lebanon's economy, killed hundreds of civilians, and made absolutely no credible progress against hezbollah...

the resolution passes and the israeli savages decide to expand their ground operation - cuz time's running out to kill them some brownies. that action will only make the implementation of the resolution all the more difficult. rather than trying to cool things off, israel wants to destabalize lebanon as much as possible.

and your "they started it" argument is an argument best directed at retards... just because they started it, doesn't make the israeli response right.

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: shrike . Quote by: Zeebadee "1. Calls for a full cessation of hostilities based upon, in particular, the immediate cessation by Hezbollah of all attacks and the immediate cessation by Israel of all offensive military operations" Since Israel calls every bombing and shelling defensive actions, they are free to keep up with their indiscriminate attacks." Don't be smartass. if Hezbollah cease to fire rockets in Israel. Than IDF will stop their attacks too.

It's a significant and deliberate wording that allows Israel to simply ignore the cease fire whenever it wants.

[GHook93]

Quote by: jose snip. from link The original story, as most media tell it, goes something like this: Hezbollah attacked an Israeli border patrol station, killing six and taking two soldiers hostage. The incident happened on the Lebanese/Israel border in Israeli territory. The alternate version, as explained by several news outlets, tells a bit of a different tale: These sources contend that Israel sent a commando force into southern Lebanon and was subsequently attacked by Hezbollah near the village of Aitaa al-Chaab, well inside Lebanon's southern territory. It was at this point that an Israel tank was struck by Hezbollah fighters, which resulted in the capture of two Israeli soldiers and the death of six. As the AFP reported, "According to the Lebanese police force, the two Israeli soldiers were captured in Lebanese territory, in the area of Aitaa al-Chaab, near to the border with Israel, where an Israeli unit had penetrated in middle of morning." And the French news site www.VoltaireNet.org reiterated the same account on June 18, "In a deliberated way, [Israel] sent a commando in the Lebanese back-country to Aitaa al-Chaab. It was attacked by Hezbollah, taking two prisoners." The Associated Press departed from the official version as well. "The militant group Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting a swift reaction from Israel, which sent ground forces into its neighbor to look for them," reported Joseph Panossian for AP on July 12. "The forces were trying to keep the soldiers' captors from moving them deeper into Lebanon, Israeli government officials said on condition of anonymity." And the Hindustan Times on July 12 conveyed a similar account: "The Lebanese Shi'ite Hezbollah movement announced on Wednesday that its guerrillas have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon. 'Implementing our promise to free Arab prisoners in Israeli jails, our strugglers have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon,' a statement by Hezbollah said. 'The two soldiers have already been moved to a safe place,' it added. The Lebanese police said that the two soldiers were captured as they 'infiltrated' into the town of Aitaa al-Chaab inside the Lebanese border." Whether factual or not, these alternative accounts should at the very least raise serious questions as to Israel's motives and rationale for bombarding Lebanon. MSNBC online first reported that Hezbollah had captured Israeli soldiers "inside" Lebanon, only to change their story hours later after the Israeli government gave an official statement to the contrary. A report from The National Council of Arab Americans, based in Lebanon, also raised suspicion that Israel's official story did not hold water and noted that Israel had yet to recover the tank that was demolished during the initial attack in question. http://www.antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=9401

And Israel is responsible for 9/11, right? Come on even Nasrallah stated he didn't expect such a full scale Israeli assault by kidnapping the soldier.