Seven charged over 'Chicago plot'

[jose]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5110342.stm

The US authorities have charged seven suspected militants in connection with an alleged plot to destroy the country's tallest building. They were planning to blow up Chicago's Sears Tower, the FBI says. It adds that the seven had sworn allegiance to al-Qaeda, but had no contacts with it. They were arrested at a warehouse in Miami, during an undercover operation. The group - infiltrated by an agent posing as an al-Qaeda member - includes two foreigners and five US citizens. US Attorney-General Alberto Gonzales said the group of "home-grown terrorists" were inspired by "a violent jihadist message". "They were persons who for whatever reason came to view their home country as the enemy," he told reporters.

the FBI is growing its own?

[tinybear]

How long have these guys been American citizens? And how long have they lived in the US? That's what I wanna know.

[dreamer]

Seven people suspected of plotting to blow up Chicago's Sears Tower and other targets have been arrested by the FBI. They were seized during a raid by federal agents on a warehouse in northern Miami. No weapons were found. The suspects include five US citizens and two foreigners, including a Haitian. They are said to be Muslim. Reports say the group, which had no apparent links to international terror, had been infiltrated by a US agent posing as a member of al-Qaeda. They were reportedly trying to buy weapons.

link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5108546.stm . The more i see the more i think the world is slipping into something that as no return to normality. Dreamer

[jose]

''They said it was a karate school,'' Benjamin Williams, 17, said of the warehouse. ``They used to be out around 11 at night, practicing like they were in the military or something . . . push-ups, jumping jacks and jumping over chairs.''
Another neighbor said: ``They would be gone all day and come back at night to the warehouse to sleep. They sold shampoo and hair grease on the street.''
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/14882995.htm

G.J.G Atheea, a Master at the Morrisigns Masonic Temple where Baptiste was an Elder, claims Baptiste was approached by men who offered to fund him for whatever he wanted to do, “as far as some subversive work. They would give him whatever he needed.”
http://cbs4.com/topstories/local_story_173185639.html

maybe they were guilty of watching this clip.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fjfOfe5DT...Vendetta%20911

[Zeebadee]

Ho hum, another high-profile major terror bust that will move quickly from massive media coverage to relative obscurity and then oblivion. Just another group of malcontents talking big amongst themselves until the inevitable FBI infiltration, who then encourages them to make an overt plan of action by offering to sell them whatever they need. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the infiltrator even suggested the targets. This isn't "homegrown terror", it's more like homemade terror.

[brien]

Quote by: Zeebadee Ho hum, another high-profile major terror bust that will move quickly from massive media coverage to relative obscurity and then oblivion. Just another group of malcontents talking big amongst themselves until the inevitable FBI infiltration, who then encourages them to make an overt plan of action by offering to sell them whatever they need. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the infiltrator even suggested the targets. This isn't "homegrown terror", it's more like homemade terror.

Zee; Perhaps you are rushing to judgement. The information here is so fresh, I am not certain we even have an accurate story yet. Your leap to accusing the FBI of homemade terror is perhaps a bit premature.

I will be the first to hold the feet of the FBI to the proverbial fire, but it is way too soon in the investigation to accuse the FBI of entrapment.

These suspects are presumed innocent until proven guilty, so lets extend the same rule of law to the FBI as well.

I believe the prudent thing to do here is to wait and see what the in depth investigation brings forth before we rush to condemn anyone on either side of this matter.

[Osborn F Enready]

I agree Brien that it is too quick to judge, but I lean towards the outcome as Zee describes. Home fabricated terrorism, courtesy of our bloated and ineffecient intelligence services. Time will tell, and I will try to be reading up on it as news comes out from various sources.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: Zeebadee Ho hum, another high-profile major terror bust that will move quickly from massive media coverage to relative obscurity and then oblivion. Just another group of malcontents talking big amongst themselves until the inevitable FBI infiltration, who then encourages them to make an overt plan of action by offering to sell them whatever they need. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the infiltrator even suggested the targets. This isn't "homegrown terror", it's more like homemade terror.

Maybe. Or maybe another Timothy Mcveigh.

Stupid talk can lead to stupid action with the right catalyst.

[Osborn F Enready]

I agree.

In many cases though, like Randy Weaver, the government is all too often the illegal/entrapping catalyst.

[brien]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I agree Brien that it is too quick to judge, but I lean towards the outcome as Zee describes. Home fabricated terrorism, courtesy of our bloated and ineffecient intelligence services. Time will tell, and I will try to be reading up on it as news comes out from various sources.

Os, Correct, all I am suggesting is to wait and make informed decisions based upon credible evidence. I too, will be monitoring this situation as well.

[Zeebadee]

Y'know, we've seen this before. The feds were on to these guys from day one, like the Canadian "terror" ring, and that other one in Lodi a couple of years ago. These people are so inept that even their civilian neighbors are reporting them well in advance of any overt action. The authorities could easily walk in at that time and break up these groups, but where would be the big headlines in that?? The massive "intel" budget and multiple governmental agencies with overlapping and duplicate functions have to be justified somehow. How to do that?? Easy. Just nurture and encourage these groups. Keep them under total surveillance, but help them grow and expand. Offer them whatever support that doesn't actually allow them to do anything, yet helps them believe that they are on the path to success. The neighbors have already reported these guys, so keep the local cops from going in too early and spoiling the big public display of efficiency and expertise scripted by the federal bureaucrats. Hollywood couldn't do a better job of making such a docudrama. Of course, Hollywood has a limited budget and has to answer to stockholders. The feds have an unlimited supply of taxpayer dollars and huge numbers of employees that have to have something to do. But what happens when the public finally catches on to the ruse of these "major terror busts"??

[dreamer]

Quote by: jose http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5110342.stm the FBI is growing its own?

The headline says it all a plot .

[rmnunez]

Yes, it seems the only nexus to Al Qaeda was via the FBI.

[Ghumanto]

The Sears Tower is designed by a Bangladeshi Architect Dr. F.R. Khan ( a Muslim ).
What a pity that some guys want it to be destroyed !

[Wailer]

All seven of the alleged terrorists are black. Black radio suggests their arrests were racially motivated and to be wary of Hoover's FBI. Anyone have something to say about that?

[Scribbler1]

You will always find racists claiming these people were "victimized" because of their race. To some, black people are incapable of wrongdoing, even Muslims.


But Keith Olbermann on Countdown said it was oddly timed that these guys just happened to be busted just as the news that the feds are now prying into our banking records under the guise of investigating possible terrorism.
They were NOT in any way a danger to the country, simply because the feds were in on their plans early on. They couldn't have done ANYTHING but look stupid when they were caught.

And if the administration is doing such a bangup job protecting us from terrorism, is THIS the best they can come up with? They haven't mentioned any other great terrorist busts.


And BTW, regarding "Hoover's FBI". You are aware old J Edgar has been dead since 1972 I trust? I don't think he's too active in the brueau these days.

[Wailer]

Yeah I know J. Edgar is long gone. But yesterday that's what black radio called the FBI---"Hoover's FBI". They were hearkening back to the days when Hoover launched his notorious campaign against the civil rights movement. Some say J. Edgar Hoover was a self-hating black passing as white you know.

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: Wailer Yeah I know J. Edgar is long gone. But yesterday that's what black radio called the FBI---"Hoover's FBI". They were hearkening back to the days when Hoover launched his notorious campaign against the civil rights movement. Some say J. Edgar Hoover was a self-hating black passing as white you know.

I didn't know that. I DID know he was a gay cross dresser who professed a dislike/distrust for homosexuals.

One messed-up feller, for sure.

[Boetie]

Boy is the propaganda machine in full gear. Note the timing. We have bozos in Miami that are about as threating as the kid that rings door bells then runs and hides.

Let's see, before 911 field agents warned superiors up to 70 times that terrorists are taking flight lessons, those warnings were ignored. After 911 Bush Jr allows all the Saudis to escape the United States via flight, therefore preventing law enforcement agents from gleaning any information from questioning the Saudis. We pull troops out of Afghanistan and wage a war against a nation that has zero to do with 911.

Lately the propaganda machine has hit us with old shells found in Iraq, and bozos in Miami. Why don't Bush Jr and Cheney just wear kitchen sinks on their heads.

[Zeebadee]

So far this "terror bust" is working perfectly. It's being covered almost non-stop on tv and in the print media. It's a triumph of major proportions for the bush administration. Media coverage of Haditha and the secret surveillance of financial transactions has virtually disappeared. One has to wonder about how many more of these "highly dangerous terror cells" are being cultivated by government infiltrators, just waiting for the proper political conditions before another high-profile "terror bust".