Iraqi PM: Abu Musab al-Zarqawi killed

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: tinybear Oh that. The conspiracy theory. :)

noo... It's an applicable metaphor...

[Apeman81]

I know, I know, the cry to the military and the rest of the Bush Imperialist war machine is "why can't you get find one man?"

Then hold the failure to do so over their heads as an indictment of their impotence.

When they do find him, the cry becomes. “he was a straw man”, “it will have no affect”, and even “we could have done this anytime. It was best to wait until now”.

Sad.

[bishop]

the iraqis have always thought that zarqawi was just a myth.. regardless, this is good news even if a mythical figure was "killed" (assuming that the psychological effects could be beneficial)..

that said, i'm not about to get giddy, thinking that all of a sudden we're close to ending this quagmire. the insurgents and terrorists in iraq don't need zarqawi to do what they do.. unless zarqawi truly is some gifted mastermind, this news represents little more than a symbolic death.

[rcne]

Quote by: bishop ....little more than a symbolic death.

Tell that to the parents of Nick Berg, and the thousands of other less know families.

[brien]

Quote by: RickSp Your contribution to that bullshit is duly noted.

ROTFLMAO Good one, Rick.

[RickSp]

Quote by: Apeman81 I know, I know, the cry to the military and the rest of the Bush Imperialist war machine is "why can't you get find one man?" Then hold the failure to do so over their heads as an indictment of their impotence. When they do find him, the cry becomes. “he was a straw man”, “it will have no affect”, and even “we could have done this anytime. It was best to wait until now”. Sad.

The military always elevated Zarqawi in importance because he was face and a name, two things notibly lacking in guerilla warfare.

Zarqawi's group is small but by providing many of the suicide bombers has had a significant impact, literally and figuratively, particularly in trying to stir up Shia-Sunni conflicts. I have read today of two different individuals, one an Egyptian and the other an Iraqi who are candidates for taking over Zarqawi's group. Whether they will be more or less deadly than Zarqawi remains to be seen.

Amusing Ape how you manage to take every discussion as an attack on either the military or your fearless leader.

[RickSp]

Quote by: rcne Tell that to the parents of Nick Berg, and the thousands of other less know families.

You sure about that?

Berg: No good in al-Zarqawi's death

The father of Nicholas Berg, a U.S. contractor believed to have been beheaded by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Iraq, said Thursday that he doesn't see any good coming from al-Zarqawi's death. "I see more death coming out of al-Zarqawi's death," Michael Berg told The Associated Press after learning a U.S. air strike had killed the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq.

[brien]

Sooooo, who gets the reward? Did you see that picture on Fox.com of the guys picking over the torn up pickup truck? Maybe they could use the $25,000,000.00 That's more than a few new trucks.

[Capitalist Pig]

I must echo PatrickHenry's words here. Which head of the hydra are we going after next?

[rcne]

I think Michael Berg is running for a political office, ( Nicholas Berg's father, a pacifist who is running for Delaware's U.S. House seat on the Green Party ticket). Of course using free media exposuse to help garner votes is a tried and true method.

I can't see any parent not feeling at least a small bit relieved knowing the brutal killer of their child has met his death.

edit to add-
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PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - Michael Berg, whose son Nick was beheaded in Iraq in 2004, said on Thursday he felt no sense of relief at the killing of the al Qaeda leader in Iraq and blamed President Bush for his son's death. Asked what would give him satisfaction, Berg, an anti-war activist and candidate for U.S. Congress, said, "The end of the war and getting rid of George Bush."

Now theres a man I'd vote for - what an arse.

[bishop]

nice one rcne.. first you give me the pompous response of "tell it to nick berg's parents".. then when rick posts up his father's response, you attack his credibility (he's suddenly no longer berg's parent, but a political opportunist and an ass).. gotta love the blatant duplicity.

people die horrible deaths in this retard war every single day. the only difference between them and nick berg is the level of media exposure they receive. you think the u.s. soldiers who went door to door executing iraqi civilians will receive punishment similar to what zarqawi supposedly received? i'll bet you that little girl whose entire family was slaughtered might just rejoice in seeing them burnt at the stake.

time and time again, the administration and their apologists have pointed to symbolic events as a sign of concrete progress... elections, constitutions, etc... and how has the situation on the ground improved from all of these events? it's either gotten worse, or stayed the same (which is hardly something to be proud of)...

when you start being able to tie tangible benefits/consequences to zarqawi's death, then you can argue that it's more than a symbolic death... but until that happens, i'm not buying the "last throes" brand of hot air.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: rcne Quote by: bishop ....little more than a symbolic death. Tell that to the parents of Nick Berg, and the thousands of other less know families.

You mean the Nick Berg that was arrested and held in Abu Ghraib and then released to the guerilla ruled streets of Bagdad with no haven. Then, when he was grabbed by (masked, black-ops looking) "terrorists" and beheaded AFTER his blood was drained from his body..... American propagandists tell us Berg loaned his laptop to a 911 terrorist so he could purchase flight tickets for the 911 attack.
Remember how the chairs in the beheading video were EXACTLY the same as what were in Abu Ghraib torture photos? Sloppy.

Now look at what happens to a human body when hit with TWO 500 pound bombs:



That is one nasty bruise, eh?

[bishop]

one would think that he'd be blown to bits and pieces - especially since our bombs are known to be incredibly precise.

[RickSp]

Quote by: rcne I think Michael Berg is running for a political office, ( Nicholas Berg's father, a pacifist who is running for Delaware's U.S. House seat on the Green Party ticket). Of course using free media exposuse to help garner votes is a tried and true method. I can't see any parent not feeling at least a small bit relieved knowing the brutal killer of their child has met his death. edit to add- : Now theres a man I'd vote for - what an arse.

So very predictable. First using the victim to advance your point, then you attack the victim's father when he expresses his own beliefs. Why not call Cyndi Sheehan a whore while you are at it? You and Ann Coulter might get along.

[bishop]

well, if you apply the logic he just used with berg, he'd most definitely call sheehan a whore... apologists just don't have much shame i guess.

predictable AND despicable as far as i'm concerned.. it's like the so-called "christian" justifying war and torture... vile hypocrites abound us.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Ya, they knew where he was, at all times, gave him money, told him to kill Americans and Iraqi's and that he would die to help cover any problems America might have in the PR war's if the need arose. ::rolleyes:: This is great news, who ever takes "over" is going to have to fight not only us killing him, but whoever ELSE wants to take over. And we'll get them too.

Whoever else takes over will have to be a very powerful leader in my estimation. May be hard to totally fill the shoes of Zarqawi.

I agree there may be a power struggle.

[Saint Vern]

Quote by: Scribbler1 Not a conspiracy theory, but the timing of this so soon after the scandals about murdered civilians are heating up makes me a tad suspicious. And it probably makes more than a few people so happy they will forget we didn't go there to liberate these people in the FIRST place.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Saint Vern Quote by: Scribbler1 Not a conspiracy theory, but the timing of this so soon after the scandals about murdered civilians are heating up makes me a tad suspicious. And it probably makes more than a few people so happy they will forget we didn't go there to liberate these people in the FIRST place.

No doubt you chuckle because everybody knows we went there for revenge for 911. At least thats what 90% of the troops believe.

Zogby Almost 90% (*of troops in Iraq*) think war is retaliation for Saddam’s role in 9/11, .....

Of course thats because troops are told WHAT to THINK. Stateside we know better. Well, except for Vern, maybe.

Edit to add my note of context: (*of troops in Iraq*) in Zogby quote

[brien]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Y Now look at what happens to a human body when hit with TWO 500 pound bombs: That is one nasty bruise, eh?

This is a very interesting photo. Kind of looks like those HS photos from the 60's but they caught this guy with his eyes closed from the flashbulb. I was under the impression that when 1000 lbs of TNT explode around someone, well, there just isn't much left to scrape up off the concrete that we see in the photos that have been released on fox news. Even if he were in a spider hole in the basement, the crater in the earth would have been so large that I am given to wonder how much would be left of the corpse.

Could it be that they had him after he released his most recent tape, and then released the body when it was timely for their agenda in the war?

I don't know anything except that the guy seems dead. Will we ever know really how it happened? Probably not.

Perhaps they are saving Bin Laden in formaldehyde or in Liquid Nitrogen next to Ted Williams for an October surprise?

What a fucking whacky world. :rolleyes:

[gr8fuldaniel]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601 But NBC News has learned that long before the war the Bush administration had several chances to wipe out his terrorist operation and perhaps kill Zarqawi himself — but never pulled the trigger.

That would be counter-productive. You cant launch a "War on Terra", if you take out all the "terrists", BEFORE they even get to Iraq. There were no terrorists in Iraq until went sent our troops there for targets.