Toronto terror plot foiled -- Canada

[Sean]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ...ror/index.html

TORONTO, Ontario (CNN) -- Canadian police on Saturday said they have prevented a major al Qaeda-inspired terror plot to attack targets in southern Ontario. Twelve adults and five young people were arrested, authorities said. "This group took steps to acquire three tons of ammonium nitrate and other components necessary to create explosive devices," said Royal Canadian Mounted Police Assistant Commissioner Mike McDonell in a statement. "To put this in context, the 1995 bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City that killed 168 people took one ton of ammonium nitrate." The detained suspects are all men, Canadian residents "from a variety of backgrounds" and followers of a "dangerous ideology inspired by al Qaeda," said Luc Portelance, assistant director of operations for Canadian Security Intelligence Service, in a news conference. (Full list of suspects) The targets were all in Toronto, CNN's Jeanne Meserve reported at least one source as telling her.

[dreamer]

There as been one in england as well here is the link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5042724.stm it seems the police are upping there game. wellin my eyes the police are doing a good job some of the time. Dreamer

[Osborn F Enready]

Well, when PROMIS and Echelon allow you to monitor ALL information, it's amazing what you can do if you just apply yourself.....

LOL

Funny how we still haven't seen all the SEC reports on those pre 9-11 trades that proved so lucractive to those involved, right before the terrorists attacked.....

What act in the show are we in, anyway? Is this intermission coming up, I need more popcorn.

[Nono]

Quote by: Os It's amazing what you can do if you just apply yourself.....

That is, if you resist distracting yourself with Other Business like Iraq.

And please, Os, have the decency to keep those put options nicely swept under the carpet. :)

[Zeebadee]

I hope there's more substance to this than the "major terrorist cell" that we broke up in Lodi last year.

[Zeebadee]

Isn't it odd that all kinds of facts have already been released and made public, plenty of information has been put out on these arrests? Seems that when it's good news for the "war on terror", it's pumped out ASAP, yet when the news isn't so good, like the incident at Haditha, no comments can be made until months of "investigations" have taken place.

[Sonart]

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Like I keep saying, our best tool in the War on Terror is internationally cooperative POLICE action, not heavy-handed military adventures.



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[PatrickHenry]

Repetition of the lie about a fertilizer bomb taking down the Murrah Building.

Yeah, a truck bomb made of ANFO can blow shit up. AlQaeda is still a US intelligence asset.

[rmnunez]

Al Qaeda is a US intelligence asset? Wouldn't this mean terrorists in that organization were presently covertly contributing valuable intelligence to the US? Suspected Al Qaeda operatives have yielded valuable intelligence, but not voluntarily, as 'assets'.

The fertilizer bomb comparison works for me, it is helpful in providing pedestrians with a reference; the Oklahoma City bombing took about a ton of explosive material, 3 times as much was found. By implication three times as many could be killed or a building three times the size demolished with that these suspected terrorists had.

[PatrickHenry]

Only problem with the reference to the ANFO bomb in OKC is that wasn't what knocked down the Murrah building...

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Only problem with the reference to the ANFO bomb in OKC is that wasn't what knocked down the Murrah building...

Well, the only problem other than the fact that our government intentionally lies to us, and the media plays along, and reguritates those lies until the bulk of humanity see it as the truth, leaving us on the outside looking in. ( ...and wondering... )


Oh wait, they're just cultivating opinion for future policy, almost forgot.

[jose]

The delivery of three tonnes of ammonium nitrate to a group suspected of plotting terrorist attacks in southern Ontario was part of an undercover police sting operation, the Toronto Star has learned.
At a news conference yesterday morning, the RCMP displayed a sample of ammonium nitrate and a crude cell phone detonator they say was seized in the massive police sweep when the 17 were taken into custody. However, they made no mention of the police force's involvement in the sale.
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...l=968793972154

[Nono]

Much has been made since last July of Tony Blair's refusal to see his gung-ho support of the Iraq Disaster as a key factor in the Tube bombing.

Yet here is Canada, whose former PM Jean Chrétien refused to yield to massive pressure go along with Boy George's misadventure, being targeted by Islamo-fascist shitheads.

Anyway, the RCMP had better be right about this.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: Patrick Henry Only problem with the reference to the ANFO bomb in OKC is that wasn't what knocked down the Murrah building...

Oh my.



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[brien]

Quote by: Sean http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ...ror/index.html

Ok, so where does this fit into the conspiricy theories? Perhaps this merely shows there are nutbag violent people everywhere. Perhaps the Canadians are asleep at the proverbial wheel? The ones I saw interviewed over the weekend all thought that they and their fellow citizens are all too complacent when it comes to vigilance with regard to terrorist acitivity. Perhaps the alarm bells are ringing and someone is hearing them now.

The RCMP seems to have done a stellar job. Kudos to them.

[jose]

part of an undercover police sting operation? or a set up
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=968793972154

[rmnunez]

They were "framed" for being Muslims?

Ultimately, if the only thing against them is possession of 3 tons of amonium nitrate which could be used to make explosives or as fertilizer, then I wouldn't jump to the conclusion these suspects were planning a terrorist attack. The fact that 400 agents were involved in the investigation which went on for a couple of years and involved people in 7 different countries, suggests there may be something more. It looks like they have a conspiracy and the delivery of the fertilizer was the best evidence of a step in its furtherance. Problem with waiting for better evidence to develop in conspiracy cases is that you run the risk of seeing it brought about.

If a dozen or so regulars at a specific mosque are monitored online chatting of terrorist plots and advocating such actions, then encouraged to do more and offered the instrumentalities as part of a 'sting', when any of them act on the offer and the whole lot are busted, I'd count it as a successful counterterrorist operation.

I'd like to know what other evidence has been obtained; how specific were how many of them in chat room advocacy for terrorism? What, other than acquisition of the fertilizer, did any of the suspects do? Are any of the suspects farmers or farm suppliers, and if not, is there any other plausible explanation for their interest in that much fertilizer?

[Milton Bradley]

Good assessment there Mr. Nunez. I also like the line of questioning you started upon, shows your not completely biased like the bulk of those in charge when somebody mentions the word terrorist.


It would be nice to get enough information to answer those questions at this point.

[rcne]

Quote by: rmnunez They were "framed" for being Muslims? .... Ultimately, if the only thing against them is possession of 3 tons of amonium nitrate which could be used to make explosives or as fertilizer

Thats an awfully big garden. I don't think you realize how many acres would be needed to use that much fertilizer. I don't think any of them were truck farmers, so the question remains if not farming what other use would anyone have for 3 tons of the stuff.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: rcne Thats an awfully big garden. I don't think you realize how many acres would be needed to use that much fertilizer. I don't think any of them were truck farmers, so the question remains if not farming what other use would anyone have for 3 tons of the stuff.

I thought farmers generally bought in bulk. Perhaps even several of them got together to get a better price intending to split it up amonst themselves.