Dutch Paedophile Party

[Seeker_Of_Sins]

http://today.reuters.com/News/newsAr...PEDOPHILES.xml

Dutch Paedophiles are launching a political party to push for a cut in the legal age for sexual relations to 12 from 16, the legalisation of child pornography and sex with animals.

The Charity, Freedom and Diversity (NVD) party plans to officially register today.

The party said it wanted to cut the legal age for sexual relations to 12 and eventually scrap the limiit altogether.

Other policies include legalising private possesion of child pornography, sex education for toddlers, sex with animals, legislation to allow public nudity and free train travel for all,(I guess this is their mainstream hook)

I cannot find a link but this was published in The Press,(Christchurch NZ), today, June 1st

It isnt April Fools day so I guess I have to take this seriously. If it is serious, should we be concerned? Or has our desire to be tolerant of sexual perversions given them the right to promote their ideals?

[Seeker_Of_Sins]

found a link

http://today.reuters.com/News/newsAr...PEDOPHILES.xml

[Chris]

I think its bad. They have age of consent laws for a reason. Anything less would be child abuse and molestation. Raping animals is animal abuse. You can be liberal all you want with regard to legal aged people. I dont really care about that, but this is bad.

[MarsBarKid]

Children should have the protection of adults not be used for sex nor should animals be used for any purpose other than those God intended, the food chain. 16 is low enough particularly as school leaving age being put up has meant that children are still naive really at 16 - maybe should be put up not down.

What has gone wrong with the Dutch - they used to be quite normal decent folk but last couple of decades - have been outnumbered by weirdo's and politically correct communists who are into taking down family values and breaking up society ready for their take over. Since communism is dead in the water leaves the door wide open for the hordes currently leaving the Netherlands for the Uk due to some parts of the Dutch folk having a bit of sense.

Lets hope that lot win this battle too.

[SKipe]

But not too long ago humans were getting married and having children at that age. and in some cultures it is still happening today. a lot of kids are sexually active from that age, so why not give them a choice as to who they want to have sex with? the other thing is that this is going to happen whether we legalise it or not, but by legalisation we are able to control it and prevent abuse.

[Saavik]

Oh no! Let the kids be kids....adult issues like sex and birth control and taxes and all that come waaay too soon as it is.
Purrs,
Saavik

[G. Adams]

Quote by: MarsBarKid Children should have the protection of adults not be used for sex nor should animals be used for any purpose other than those God intended, the food chain. 16 is low enough particularly as school leaving age being put up has meant that children are still naive really at 16 - maybe should be put up not down. What has gone wrong with the Dutch - they used to be quite normal decent folk but last couple of decades - have been outnumbered by weirdo's and politically correct communists who are into taking down family values and breaking up society ready for their take over. Since communism is dead in the water leaves the door wide open for the hordes currently leaving the Netherlands for the Uk due to some parts of the Dutch folk having a bit of sense. Lets hope that lot win this battle too.

Nothings wrong with the dutch. There's cases of British woman marrying a dolphin, doesn't mean Brits are all zoophiles. This is a tiny band of idiots, who are providing a fine service to society...in that anyone who joins can then be instantly monitered by the police. It's a good way to concentrate the weirdo's into an area, bring them out of the woodwork so to speak. In fact, it wouldn't suprise me if this was the police organising a sting.

[eburchelli]

Quote by: MarsBarKid Since communism is dead in the water leaves the door wide open for the hordes currently leaving the Netherlands for the Uk due to some parts of the Dutch folk having a bit of sense.

What makes you think communism is dead? Ever hear of socialism? It's one step removed from communism and if enough people get involved, it can become communism all over again. The cold war broke down some of communism's barriers but it still resides within the framework of the far left.

[Samildanach]

doesn't mean Brits are all zoophiles

They aren't?!!?!? :)

[The Bacon Guy]

has our desire to be tolerant of sexual perversions given them the right to promote their ideals?

No. Free speech and democracy has given them the right to promote their ideals. Anyone has the right to form a political party, whether the moral majority agrees with it or not. Personally, I don't agree with the policies of this NVD but that doesn't give me or anyone else the right to prevent them voicing their opinions or running in an election.

should we be concerned?

No. It seems glaringly obvious that the overwhelming majority are completely intolerant of paedophilia (whether or not this is a good thing is debatable but that's a topic for other threads), so this party really isn't a cause for concern. Do you seriously think there's a chance they will end up in power?

outnumbered by weirdo's and politically correct communists

I really don't see how communism relates to paedophilia. But hey, I love a good right wing rant as much as the next guy.

[Samildanach]

No. Free speech and democracy has given them the right to promote their ideals. Anyone has the right to form a political party, whether the moral majority agrees with it or not. Personally, I don't agree with the policies of this NVD but that doesn't give me or anyone else the right to prevent them voicing their opinions or running in an election.

Right. Good point....I better get to work on the necrophilia party....policy requires you turn in all your relatives to our collection points at time of death...preferably still warm. :)

[Kite]

Gotta love the proactive pedophiles, makes them easier to find. Besides, at the age of twelve most kids barley know anything about sex. How could they consent to it if they only have a vauge idea of what it is, or even if they do know, how could they be old enough to make a well thought out decision? Of course, many adults are old enough and still have impulse sex and regret it afterwards, but at least adults are old enough to know what will happen if they do that.

[Short Round]

Quote by: MarsBarKid What has gone wrong with the Dutch - they used to be quite normal decent folk but last couple of decades - have been outnumbered by weirdo's and politically correct communists who are into taking down family values and breaking up society ready for their take over. Since communism is dead in the water leaves the door wide open for the hordes currently leaving the Netherlands for the Uk due to some parts of the Dutch folk having a bit of sense. Lets hope that lot win this battle too.

The Dutch haven't been the same since they all but obliterated the influence of the Christian Church. Since there will be no eternal after death consequences for sexxing up the kids why should they care what anyone thinks? No Supreme Moral Law Giver means anything goes. Hey if the Prince of Monaco can preggers a 13 yr old to give birth to his child and have absolutely no shame whatsoever why should the modern world care at all? I'm looking forward to 20 years in the future when incest is legalized and then the thought of sex with a 12 to 10 year old will seem passe'.

[Samildanach]

I'm looking forward to 20 years in the future when incest is legalized and then the thought of sex with a 12 to 10 year old will seem passe'.

Bound to happen sooner or later although I bet the thought gives the conservatives the willies :)

[bishop]

this is definitely one of the most decadent laws i've heard proposed in several years.. i hope it falls flat on its face..

i'm curious about the rationale behind this proposal - especially since it's such an offensive proposal imo..

[Kite]

The rationale is, if they can get enough people to support this action and if they whine loud enough it will happen. Of course, no one will, so nothing will happen. Its another special interest group begging for attention.

[rmnunez]

our desire to be tolerant of sexual perversions?
Speak for yourself, I'm not tolerant of any perversions. And who said only a few Britons are zoophiles, they brought us the RSPCA.

[Chris the Chees]

Quote by: eburchelli What makes you think communism is dead? Ever hear of socialism? It's one step removed from communism and if enough people get involved, it can become communism all over again. The cold war broke down some of communism's barriers but it still resides within the framework of the far left.

I do believe you have just displayed a complete ignorance of communism and socialism. Socialism is not a step away from communism; communism is a sub-ideology of socialism, applying the Marxist ideals to the socialist blue-print.

[rmnunez]

I had the impression Socialism was a subcategory of communism rather than the other way around.

Socialists will have you know there was no socialism in communist countries, even though these usually called themselves socialists. There is some relationship between the two, both propose governments with a highlighted labor focus to emerge from revolutionary processes to redistribute wealth and both seek strong centralized governments.

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, socialism has waned. Socialist governments and politicians watered-down their rhetoric and adopted more representative and democratic policies like their ideological counterparts. The transformation of socialists has resulted from an effort to make themselves more attractive to a greater number and this way gain sufficient popular support to govern. This effort to attract a more varied constituency has made socialists (like Democrats in the US) a diverse group with perspectives that cannot find fit under any other ideology (like these Dutch pedophiles). Nowadays socialists often are critical of politicians and parties who describe themselves as socialists. They denounce accomodations and compromises, what these socialists want is something that looks more like communism.

[eburchelli]

Quote by: Chris the Chees I do believe you have just displayed a complete ignorance of communism and socialism. Socialism is not a step away from communism; communism is a sub-ideology of socialism, applying the Marxist ideals to the socialist blue-print.

The USSR comes to mind - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. That was Russia while under communist rule. Communism and Socialism are entertwined.

The Young Communist League believes that socialism is the step between capitalism and communism. At their site (http://www.yclusa.org/article/articleview/67/1/12) they have this to say about it. <"Q: What is the difference between communism and socialism?
A: The short answer is socialism is "from each according to their ability and to each according to their DEEDS," and communism is "from each according to their ability and to each according to their NEEDS." The longer answer is socialism is the step between capitalism and communism. Socialism still has people working for wages, therefore monetary equality has not be reached. Socialism is the society that will pave the way for a communist society by setting a foundation of co-operation and sharing of all things in common. Communism is the realization of these goals." >

It is interesting to read their entire page. It gives one a glance at what the far left of the Democratic Party has in mind for the US. I disagree with the entire premise of this article. In paricular this little gem <"True democracy will be realized under communism because everyone will have an equal say in society."> They didn't mention that elections are held with only communists on the ballot - much like dicatorships, where the only name on the ballot is the dictator's. Freedom is not part of the vocabulary associated with communism. Socialism comes in a close second because governments that promote socialism, need to be in control of the population.