US offers direct talks with Iran

[dreamer]

UPDATES.
.The EU foreign policy head will visit Iran in the next 48 hours in the latest diplomatic effort to persuade Iran to halt nuclear research, Tehran says.
Javier Solana will present proposals agreed by six world powers in Vienna on Thursday, Iran's foreign minister said.
Manouchehr Mottaki said a breakthrough was possible but added Iran would not halt uranium enrichment - a condition set by the powers for talks to start.
He said Iran would look at the plans before giving a formal response.
The proposals - drawn up by the five permanent members of the UN Security Council and Germany - have not been made public but sources say they could include giving Iran a nuclear reactor and an assured supply of enriched uranium. link.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...5043538.stmThe American offer to join direct talks with Iran has now been followed with agreement among leading members of the Security Council on a package of incentives to encourage Iran to give up the enrichment of uranium.
The US move represents a major shift of American policy but does not in itself clear the way for a solution.For Iran to accept the package, it would have to give up that which it has proclaimed most dear to its interests - acquiring the ability to enrich uranium. This has assumed almost mythical importance within Iran as a symbol of its right to a hi-tech future and would require a huge change of policy to abandon. link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/5036290.stm.
Dreamer

[shield772]

Quote by: Samildanach Iran basically said f$%k U. You want to talk lets talk, but you aren't going to get anything for talking to us. I'm with Iran on this one. Why should they stop enrichment just to talk to the US? Its just a stall tactic.

You are aware that if Iran gets a nuclear weapon they will use it on Isreal and the US. And we haven't had diplomatic relations with Iran since they committed and act of war and invaded our embassy and took diplomats and US servicemen hostage and our weak willed President did nothing.

[RickSp]

Quote by: shield772 You are aware that if Iran gets a nuclear weapon they will use it on Isreal and the US. And we haven't had diplomatic relations with Iran since they committed and act of war and invaded our embassy and took diplomats and US servicemen hostage and our weak willed President did nothing.

So you assume that the leaders of Iran are crazy and stupid. (I suppose using our leaders as models, one might make that mistake.)

You also ignore that the reason that the Iranians were and are pissed off at us is that we engineered the coup in 1953 that reinstated the dictatorial Shah who ruled the country with an iron fist for 25 years. (If Iran had installed a brutal dictator to rule over Amerivca I can guarantee that I would be angry.) Compared to that, the taking of a hostages, while not nice, is pretty tame. And your comment about a "weak willed president" who "did nothing" completely ignores that Carter did get all the hostages back alive.

[shield772]

Quote by: RickSp So you assume that the leaders of Iran are crazy and stupid. (I suppose using our leaders as models, one might make that mistake.) You also ignore that the reason that the Iranians were and are pissed off at us is that we engineered the coup in 1953 that reinstated the dictatorial Shah who ruled the country with an iron fist for 25 years. (If Iran had installed a brutal dictator to rule over Amerivca I can guarantee that I would be angry.) Compared to that, the taking of a hostages, while not nice, is pretty tame. And your comment about a "weak willed president" who "did nothing" completely ignores that Carter did get all the hostages back alive.

The President of Iran was one of the hostage takers and they released the hostages on Reagans watch not Carters, they knew if they didn't Reagan was gonna open a can on them.

[RickSp]

Quote by: shield772 The President of Iran was one of the hostage takers and they released the hostages on Reagans watch not Carters, they knew if they didn't Reagan was gonna open a can on them.

Well that is one version of the story. There is evidecen that Reagan in his "October surprise" arranged the delay in order to embarrass Carter. In exchange he gave arms to Iran. Whether the "October Surprise" ever took place is debated, but to suggest that the Iranians were afraid of Reagan is pretty silly.

Your hero Reagan, of course, also later gave arms to Saddam and looked the other way when Saddam used chemical weapons. Bizarrely, his administration later worked to sell even more arms to Iran. Remember Iran/Contra?

[dreamer]

Itseems iran can see somting coming.Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has warned that fuel shipments from the Gulf region could be disrupted if the US makes a "wrong move".
In a speech on state TV, Ayatollah Khamenei also said accusations that Iran intended to make a nuclear bomb amounted to a "sheer lie".
He insisted Iran would not give up its right to produce nuclear fuel.
Tehran has agreed to study proposals drawn up by six world powers to defuse the row over Iran's nuclear programme. link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/5045604.stm
The proposals are due to be delivered by the EU's foreign policy head, Javier Solana, within days.Dreamer

[RickSp]

Quote by: dreamer Itseems iran can see somting coming.m[/url]

If the Iranians are as half as crazy as the conservatives claim they are, attacking them would be a really, really dumb thing to do. Not only could they close the Straits of Hormuz, at least for a while but could also take out oil production in virtually the entire Middle East with their medium range missles. The economic consequences would be catastrophic. They could also send a half million troops north into Iraq and launch a wave of worldwide terrorism. And that covers the first two weeks of the war. It could spread from there.

If the Bushbots want to start the next world war or maybe trigger the end-time Armagedon that their Bible thumping fundies keep going on about, luaching another stupid attack just might do it.

[dreamer]

Quote by: RickSp If the Iranians are as half as crazy as the conservatives claim they are, attacking them would be a really, really dumb thing to do. Not only could they close the Straits of Hormuz, at least for a while but could also take out oil production in virtually the entire Middle East with their medium range missles. The economic consequences would be catastrophic. They could also send a half million troops north into Iraq and launch a wave of worldwide terrorism. And that covers the first tow weeks of the war. it could spread from there. If the Bushbots want to start the next world war or maybe trigger the end-time Armagedon that their Bible thumping fundies keep going on about, luaching another stupid attack just might do it.

lets hope Iran don't get U.S.A alternative to what we got al benlardan and start blowing there economics apart.
Then Iran starts the ball rolling then the us start the ball rolling then we have world war three. Dreamer

[Boetie]

The issue here of Iran and nuclear energy is just smoke screen. Recall Cheney's remark about Russia backsliding on democracy. That's code word for we are players at the Caspian Sea. Note that Cheney after that remark visited one of the countries that borders the Caspian Sea.

There are five countries that surround the Caspian Sea, three of them the United States is giving money to for favorites aka go to bed with us. The other two countries is Russia and Iran.

The Caspian Sea is rich with oil and natural gas. Cheney is trying to muscle out Russia and Iran from that sea. The sea by the way is rich with caviar as well.

But hey bury your heads in the non issue of nuclear energy just like you buried your heads in the mythical WMD's of Iraq.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Boetie The issue here of Iran and nuclear energy is just smoke screen. Recall Cheney's remark about Russia backsliding on democracy. That's code word for we are players at the Caspian Sea. Note that Cheney after that remark visited one of the countries that borders the Caspian Sea. There are five countries that surround the Caspian Sea, three of them the United States is giving money to for favorites aka go to bed with us. The other two countries is Russia and Iran. The Caspian Sea is rich with oil and natural gas. Cheney is trying to muscle out Russia and Iran from that sea. The sea by the way is rich with caviar as well. But hey bury your heads in the non issue of nuclear energy just like you buried your heads in the mythical WMD's of Iraq.

Amen to that.


A little trip to Google Earth will let you view airbases in the areas surrounding this discussion, and confirm for yourself that lots of "Western" planes are in fact sitting on the tarmac over there. Evidence of the ever present Western influence, and money are working in secrecy.


Wave to Kellogg, Brown, and Root.

[dreamer]

It sems that Iran are coming to order link. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/5048956.stm. it may change at any time with powers to be. Dreamer.

[dreamer]

Bush warns Iran on deal link. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/5096298.stm . what happens if Iran say no, what then. Dreamer

[rmnunez]

That deal is going nowhere, the Iranians are on the verge of success and determined to get there. It would be a great accomplishment and boost for them. I expect they will draw this out as long as they possibly can, but eventually they will have the most closely monitored nuclear programme in the world which will in due course lead to a disaster with impact across the region.

Here critical lefties are most often revealed as the genuine anti-united statians they actually are. Whereas anti-nuclearism is an inherent feature of most critical lefties, pacifists and anti-militarists, in the Iranian case they regard possession and even deployment of nuclear weapons is a natural pursuit and sovereign right!