Illegals granted Social Security

[Osborn F Enready]

I will sell my social security account!

Any bids?

I would be happy getting for it, what I paid into it. Any takers?

I have tried time and time again, by writing my representatives, getting my initial amount donated BACK, and letting the "gubbmint" keep my intrest earned. I can't even get them to reply to those e-mails (though they reply to all of my others).

How can a contract be valid, when I DIDN'T ENTER THE CONTRACT, and I CAN'T WITHDRAW FROM IT?

I was signed up for Social Security by my Grandparents before I could say "momma", so how can this contract still be valid, since I as an active, competent and legal adult, can't remove myself, nor did I approve my inclusion?

[SteveA]

This is a perfect example of how government itself causes the complaints about illegal immigrants. It's schitzo to offer people "free" medical services, education and housing assistance etc. simply if someone comes into the country and then claim to resent doing this to the point where additional resources go into border police or fining employers who do nothing different than government itself and actually provide a manner in which immigrants can support themselves to everyones benefit.

Yet again, government is simply trying to patch something without addressing the root of the problem. Migration in itself isn't a problem. (Is the U.S. better or worse off due to people being able to freely move to other areas in the country?)

[Morgan_Freeman]

Quote by: SteveA This is a perfect example of how government itself causes the complaints about illegal immigrants. It's schitzo to offer people "free" medical services, education and housing assistance etc. simply if someone comes into the country and then claim to resent doing this to the point where additional resources go into border police or fining employers who do nothing different than government itself and actually provide a manner in which immigrants can support themselves to everyones benefit. Yet again, government is simply trying to patch something without addressing the root of the problem. Migration in itself isn't a problem. (Is the U.S. better or worse off due to people being able to freely move to other areas in the country?)

Agreed. Get rid of SS and the rest of the unconstitutional agencies, and this whole debate fades into irrelevancy.

[tman_ndsu08]

Mexicans are the only ones who do certain jobs.

We need them.


And since when did America become "our" country.

Whites immigrated here just like everyone else.


Mexicans and any other group deserve the same chance.

[bishop]

who's suggesting that they shouldn't be allowed to immigrate?

[Osborn F Enready]

I don't care who comes here, as long as they come through the checkpoints, and come in legally.

[gr8fuldaniel]

[gr8fuldaniel]

Charge a $50,000.00 fine for hiring illegal immigrants. As long as nothing is done about the laws we already have, they will continue to pour over the border.

There are no jobs Americans wont do, for a living wage.

[bishop]

americans used to do all these jobs once upon a time.. of course, this was all before fellow americans decided to support a race to the bottom.

not everyone in our country is equipped to get a college degree and a decent career.. some people can't do much better than low-skilled labor - and they should still be able to work and not live in poverty. that's currently impossible in the current environment, especially in states with huge illegal populations.

[Morgan_Freeman]

Quote by: bishop americans used to do all these jobs once upon a time.. of course, this was all before fellow americans decided to support a race to the bottom. not everyone in our country is equipped to get a college degree and a decent career.. some people can't do much better than low-skilled labor - and they should still be able to work and not live in poverty. that's currently impossible in the current environment, especially in states with huge illegal populations.

You're making a great argument for lifting the minimum wage and other workplace regulations.

[bishop]

i don't see that, but if i did, it was completely unintentional.

[Agent86]

Bishop it says you are from Boston. Well I am from California and have been my whole life. I see no ill effect from illegal immigrants. Have they affected you in some personal way??

I agree with what rick had to say about silly laws that make it a crime to want to come to America to make a better life for one self. Is'nt that how America was built after all??

Illegal immigrants will be the key to our future growth, because they have what any society needs to continue on a growth path, they are HUNGRY!!! And I don't mean that in a literal way.

The adult immigrants will work hard to make a better life for themselves and their children, who will see their sacrafice, but while here in America those children of immigrants will see the unbelievable potential this great country offers and that will only motivate them to reach for the stars thus creating a whole new generation of entrepeneurs to foster further economic growth for America. I have seen this first hand as my parents who are 2nd and 3rd generation Hispanics were better off than their parents and now me and my 4 siblings are all doing better than our parents before us. One, my brother is running a multi million dollar manufacturing business and employing not only my father ( more of a side gig for slot machine money ) but myself my older brother and my sister. If he sold the business today he could probably fetch north of $20,000,000.00 for it. Not bad for a kid raised in East L.A. with no financial backing from wealthy parents. My parents struggled to get us through childhood and made sure we graduated high school. One went on to get his MBA, while 2 of us did some college work. Before working for my brother I was once a portfolio manager for a large brokerage firm and did quite well during my 17 year career. The entrepeneur bug hit me and I opened my own business. My whole point in this is that when children see their parents struggle, it tends to make them want more for themselves and their own families. It was true in my family and i'm sure it will be true with countless families of those coming from our southern borders.

[deedee]

Most immigrants who have come into our country have had to do their fair share of dig ditching. --DeeDee


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[Morgan_Freeman]

Quote by: bishop i don't see that, but if i did, it was completely unintentional.

Doesn't matter. The Truth always serves the cause of Liberty.

[RickSp]

Quote by: bishop since their contribution amounts to 10% of the surplus, the system would also be "afloat" without them. of course, the system is in deep water and this "surplus" is a joke - not to mention the fact that our great congress raids this surplus every single year to pay for all sorts of useless bullshit. and, like i said before, this is identity theft.. the more illegals want/need social security numbers, the more scumbags will sell peoples' identities.

No, it is not identy theft. That is ridiculous. All that the use of phony SS numbers does is subsidize a failing system. Your claims about scumbags and thieves is a red herring at best.

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel There are no jobs Americans wont do, for a living wage.

What is a "living wage"? Some socialist fantasy I assume.


Americans won't work the night shift mopping floors. They might do it a couple nights but then they quit.

They don't want those kinds of jobs.

And the ones that do want a bunch of union BS benefits/artificially high wages.


Damn right I'll pay someone who wants to work for market price.

[bishop]

Quote by: RickSp No, it is not identy theft. That is ridiculous. All that the use of phony SS numbers does is subsidize a failing system. Your claims about scumbags and thieves is a red herring at best.

some of the instances of fraudulent ss numbers came from LIVING u.s. citizens... how is this not fraud? maybe i just don't understand the law - if i were to take your ss number and sell it to an illegal immigrant, is that not identity theft?

read the article.. some of the numbers are bogus, and some are real.

hidden costs of illegal immigration and identity theft
supporting article


thanks to our government's support of illegal immigration, cases of identity theft are increasing, and have been for several years now. but, i guess that doesn't matter either since they can pick berries for $2/hr (or whatever they're paid).

[Aquietguy1]

Quote by: bishop article not only is the government failing to enforce immigration and employment laws, but they're also condoning identity theft and fraud.

And some people still believe that our government is not trying to merge us into a one world system. If illegal immigrants can come here and get benefits, we should be about to go to Mexico and get the same benefits. If Mexico can guard their southern border, why can we? Why doesn't the hate America crowd have anything to say about that..

[Aquietguy1]

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 What is a "living wage"? Some socialist fantasy I assume. Americans won't work the night shift mopping floors. They might do it a couple nights but then they quit. They don't want those kinds of jobs.

They will if if pays them enough to live on.

Damn right I'll pay someone who wants to work for market price.

Illegal immigrants make benefits and wages artificially low.

[Agent86]

Quote by: Aquietguy1 They will if if pays them enough to live on. Illegal immigrants make benefits and wages artificially low.

Are you familiar with capitalism????? You may want to read up on it. Google it and get back to me in a few years would ya??