NSA building massive database of phone records

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: jose Israel has had a potential wiretap on every phone in America for years, along with the ability to monitor and record who any person is calling, anywhere in America; information of great value even if one does not listen to the calls themselves. Amdocs, Inc. the company which sub contracts billing and directory services for phone companies around the world, including 90 percent of American phone companies, is owned by Israeli interests. Yet another company, Comverse Infosys, is suspected of having built a "back door" into the equipment permanently installed into the phone system that allows instant eavesdropping by law enforcement agencies on any phone in America. This includes yours. Concerns about allowing an Israeli company such intimate access to the infrastructure go back many years. As reported by Fox News, the Israeli company Amdocs was implicated in the leaking of police phone data that resulted in the collapse of on investigation into a massive drug and credit card fraud operation with Israeli connections. http://www.rense.com/general60/zspy.htm if anyone mentions it they are called all kinds of names i dont care here it is

If this has been going on for many years have Americans been rounded up for suspicious phone calls? Didn't work on the 9/11 guys, and most of their communication was by the phone.

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: Isherwood What do you think might happen if a suspected terrorist dials your number by accident and leaves a message on your machine? Good luck explaining that one away.

I would easily explain it away as just one call was made.

The NSA is looking for large patterns of hundreds of calls.

They're not looking for anomalies.

[Jack]

The NSA is looking for large patterns of hundreds of calls. They're not looking for anomalies.

How good of you to take them at their word. I used to work there. I don't know that I'd be that confident about what they claim.

[RickSp]

Quote by: Isherwood How good of you to take them at their word. I used to work there. I don't know that I'd be that confident about what they claim.

It is funny or perhaps sad to hear the police-state apologists repeat parrot-like what they have been told by the Bush Administration. They seem not to notice or be bothered by the fact that the story keeps changing as more domestic spying in revealed.

Must be uncomfortable to have one's head buried that deeply in sand.... or elsewhere.

[Boetie]

Right now there is a hot debate going on at Capitol Hill. One side of the debate wishes to keep the internet net neutral, while the other side of the debate is trying to turn the internet into a toll gate where....guess who the gatekeepers will be. That's right AT$T and BellSouth two of the companies that turned all your information over to NSA.

Is this a bedroom deal going on? Looks like it.

Bush Jr and the Legislative branch has got a doggie leash around their necks and the owner is AT$T and BellSouth. What that means is no matter what we the people say Bush Jr and The Legislative Branch are forced to show us who their master is and it's certainly not the people.

But it is the peoples money that put the internet together. So why do the two companies that shit on us get to own the internet as well? How do you say whore president?

[Apeman81]

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...=442&invol=735

Some law to mix in with the grist.

Smith V Maryland USSC 1979

The telephone company, at police request, installed at its central offices a pen register to record the numbers dialed from the telephone at petitioner's home. Prior to his robbery trial, petitioner moved to suppress "all fruits derived from" the pen register. The Maryland trial court denied this motion, holding that the warrantless installation of the pen register did not violate the Fourth Amendment. Petitioner was convicted, and the Maryland Court of Appeals affirmed.

Per the USSC "We therefore conclude that petitioner in all probability entertained no actual expectation of privacy in the phone numbers he dialed, and that, even if he did, his expectation was not "legitimate." The installation and use of a pen register, [442 U.S. 735, 746] consequently, was not a "search," and no warrant was required. The judgment of the Maryland Court of Appeals is affirmed."

[RickSp]

Interesting that you cite judicial review. That is exactly what the Bush administration has consistently resisted. There is no way to know the extend of NSA's snooping as long as the Bush administration continues to claim to be above the law.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Raw Story ABC News: Federal official says US tracking calls made by ABC News, New York Times, Washington Post ABC's Brian Ross and Richard Esposito Report: A senior federal law enforcement official tells ABC News the government is tracking the phone numbers we call in an effort to root out confidential sources. "It's time for you to get some new cell phones, quick," the source told us in an in-person conversation. We do not know how the government determined who we are calling, or whether our phone records were provided to the government as part of the recently-disclosed NSA collection of domestic phone calls. Other sources have told us that phone calls and contacts by reporters for ABC News, along with the New York Times and the Washington Post, are being examined as part of a widespread CIA leak investigation. more....

This is the equivalent of crooks having scanners and wiretaps in the police chiefs office. The Cheney administration can stay two steps ahead of justice.

Fortunately we have the equivalent of a signed confession of treason:

MSNBC A Fresh Focus on Cheney Handwritten notes by the vice president surface in the Fitzgerald probe. The role of Vice President Dick Cheney in the criminal case stemming from the outing of White House critic Joseph Wilson's CIA wife is likely to get fresh attention as a result of newly disclosed notes showing that Cheney personally asked whether Wilson had been sent by his wife on a "junket" to Africa. more....

We have plenty to impeach Cheney. If he weasels out of this, we should call him Houdini.

He should give himself a shotgun facial.........

[bishop]

here's another reason why databases like this should not be built.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/22/vet...eut/index.html

Personal data on about 26.5 million U.S. military veterans was stolen from the residence of a Department of Veterans Affairs data analyst who improperly took the material home, Veterans Affairs Secretary Jim Nicholson said Monday. The data included names, Social Security numbers and dates of birth for the veterans, Nicholson said, but "there is no indication at this time" that the data had been used for identify theft.

[Mia]

Why in the hell was he allowed to take this HOME?!?!? Coincidence it was then stolen?

[brien]

Quote by: Mia Why in the hell was he allowed to take this HOME?!?!? Coincidence it was then stolen?

I remember Craig Livingstone and Anthony Marceca in the Clinton Administration did something similar. They were never indicted. ALthough they weren't building a secret database on the average citizen, they were still building a secret database to use politically against their enemies.

See:http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1998/12/16/135337

See:http://www.mega.nu/ampp/stonewall_filegate.html

From another link:
Filegate:
This Clinton scandal involves the discovery of over 900 Republican FBI files in the White House. Files of former Secretary of State James Baker, former National Security Advisor Brent Scowcroft, and Newt Gingrich's spokesman Tony Blankley were found to be on this list. Upon the discovery of these files, the White House issued an excuse claiming that the files were mistakenly requested by a White House employee working with an outdated list. They were called a simple "snafu." Investigations into Filegate revealed that not a common White House worker but the President's friend and close advisor, Anthony Marceca, had requested the files. When the presidency starts illegally compiling an enemies list it is a sure sign he is not fit to serve office and that, just maybe, a crime has been committed.

Once again, it must be emphasized that these people weren't idicted but I say this type of stuff has been going on for years. It is long overdue that the citizens need to stop this activity.

[Elven6]

Who really cares, people who complain obiusly have something to hide so if you do stop phoning those sex hot lines.

The NSA got my vote after I started playing Splinter Cell HA

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Elven6 Who really cares, people who complain obiusly have something to hide so if you do stop phoning those sex hot lines.

Look Mom, I can regurgitate media propaganda with no hands! Weeeeeeee...

Quote by: Elven6 The NSA got my vote after I started playing Splinter Cell HA

Wow, and a deep thinker as well.


You go girl.

[Scribbler1]

Why is this forum suddenly a haven for children? Did someone bring the URL for this forum in to "show and tell"?

[bishop]

sean's spamming at myspace.

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: bishop sean's spamming at myspace.

LOL!! Good one.

Seriously, they seem to have all come almost at once. You should see the child molester thread.

[Jack]

You should see the child molester thread. they seem to have all come almost at once.

A perv rendering of your statement. Now the mental image is complete.

For all you who wish to blindly trust your government to always get it right, I submit the following:

The British government, already under pressure over a series of blunders in its immigration and prison services, has confirmed it wrongly branded around 1,500 innocent people as criminals due to a computer mix-up. It said the Criminal Records Bureau (CRB), which carries out checks on people who have applied for jobs working with children or vulnerable adults, had confused the innocent people with convicted criminals because they had similar or identical names. The names were stored on a police database. The case is the latest in a series of embarrassments for British Prime Minister Tony Blair and his beleaguered Home Office (interior ministry), which oversees the CRB. "We make no apology for erring on the side of caution. We are talking about the protection of children and vulnerable adults," a Home Office spokesman said. Last month, the Home Office admitted it had allowed more than 1,000 foreign prisoners to walk free from British jails when they should have been considered for deportation. Home Secretary Charles Clarke was sacked in a reshuffle shortly after the fiasco and has been replaced by John Reid.

Source

[Jack]

Look Mom, I can regurgitate media propaganda with no hands! Weeeeeeee...

Gawd, I love it. That nearly caused a coffee-spit take.

[bishop]

it's frightening how this thread's topic conveniently coincides with gonzales's statement that the executive can spy on anyone's phone records it deems "necessary for national security" - including the phone records of reporters.. and incidentally, or not, he said that in reference to the reporters who broke domestic spying program..

so, the government can do whatever it wants in secret, and if some journalist even tries to report it, they'll slap a charge on them and attempt to put them in prison. we've lost lots of rights over the years, but this one really shocks the senses.

[Jack]

It appears obvious that one goal of such a comment is to stifle whistleblowers. They are going to think more than three times about the chance they're taking calling anyone in the media.

I submit that the White House is still pissed about Aljazeera and decided to take it out on our press, since they're hardly sympathetic anyway. Except Faux News.