Lesbian Porn

[Vicksykate]

In your opinions, does the pornography industry cause lesbian women to be taken less seriously? (I am referring specifically to lesbian porn)

[HunterE.Tena]

Lesbian porn is the only good thing that ever happened to my life.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Vicksykate In your opinions, does the pornography industry cause lesbian women to be taken less seriously? (I am referring specifically to lesbian porn)

No more then how other forms of porn affect other types of people.

I really don't see why it would in the first place.

Why would you think it would make lesbians be taken less serious?

They need sex and porn too you know.

[Dan_77]

Porn is actually an industry feminists should be proud of.

Female porn actresses make orders of magnitude more money then their male counterparts, can dictate when they work and with whom they work and what work they do, and generally negotiate all of their own terms in exchange for their services.

[The Black Ghost]

Most female lesbian porn actors are not lesbians, they are just paid actors, although obviously this is not always the case. Of course, we would never know that.

I think it does sort of make it seem less "weird"...but then again, I guess anyone can say that. Women see lesbians as weird, men see it as 'normal' or at least attractive.

Men see gay males as strange (mostly) where women see it as normal, or veiw them on the same level as other women.

Again this is not always the case.

[Cruella]

Moved to adult topics forum.

[Hurt]

Don't see how it is. Asian porn is much more of a disaster, really. (I don't know anything; don't ask! )

[Cruella]

Women see lesbians as weird,

Do they, now? Source please.

[tinybear]

I think porn actresses who are not lesbian and who do lesbian porn should be paid more. What do you think?

[princessme23]

No they are just lipstick lesbians anyway.
They shouldnt get paid anymore for faking it.

Personally I think alot of it looks abit fake, but I dont suppose that should really matter....

Women see lesbians as weird,

Alot of straight woman like lesbian porn by the way, just to shock you. I should think woman are a bit more tolerent toward lesbian porn then men are toward gay male porn.

[Vicksykate]

Praxius, I wasn’t saying it necessarily did... I was simply putting forward an issue for debate.
Princessme23, lipstick lesbian refers also to feminine lesbians, not just “fake lesbians” just to clarify Lipstick lesbian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[lsbskins1]

My opinion, as one lonely little lesbian, is that most lesbian porn is not lesbian porn, it is porn for heterosexual males who like to think they would be invited in on the fun if they were "in the room". It does not turn me on, as it is all slutty and sex kitten like, something the straight men might enjoy, but I find to be degrading and not in the least attractive.

[Vicksykate]

tinybear:
No, I do not believe that straight women in lesbian porn films should be paid more. If they choose to take on a specific role then that’s their decision. It’s almost like saying an actor who votes for the democrats but plays a republican in a movie should be paid more than if a republican was cast in the role. It’s a job, and sexual orientation shouldn’t come into it. If it was implemented would that mean that if a straight woman in the pornography industry didn’t find her male counterpart attractive she could demand more pay? If not, what would be the difference if it’s all based in sexual attraction?

Praxius:
I agree with the point made by lsbskins. Most lesbian porn is created for men, not lesbians. Yes, some lesbians do watch and enjoy lesbian porn, but it is not created necessarily for that specific audience.

[Dan_77]

Quote by: lsbskins1 My opinion, as one lonely little lesbian, is that most lesbian porn is not lesbian porn, it is porn for heterosexual males who like to think they would be invited in on the fun if they were "in the room". It does not turn me on, as it is all slutty and sex kitten like, something the straight men might enjoy, but I find to be degrading and not in the least attractive.

I'm just curious what is "degrading" about it?

[Vicksykate]

Quote by: Dan_77 I'm just curious what is "degrading" about it?

Perhaps she referred to it as ‘degrading’ because it’s often considered to objectify women? I don’t know, but that’s a theory.
I have personally witnessed lesbian couples being propositioned by straight men... usually with the question “Can I watch?” I’m not speaking for all straight men or all lesbian couples; however I have personally witnessed this and the lesbians at hand feel insulted and as if their sexuality is considered a joke. It may be said in jest, and that is one of the milder propositions, however to women who do not find men sexually attractive it is insulting.
Just for the record, I am not directly opposed to lesbian porn. This is simply a suggestion as to why lesbians might find it insulting, degrading or cause their sexuality to be seen as a joke.

[lsbskins1]

Quote by: Dan_77 I'm just curious what is "degrading" about it?

It is degrading because it does not address the sexual wants or desires of the women, it exists for and panders to the desires of the men that are expected to be its audience. The women are little more than props, whose actual passions matter little. If women can't even "own" their own sexuality, what can they own? I'm not saying it should be banned or anything like that. A woman should be free to exploit herself for gain if she wishes. And women have been preening and shorting their own needs for the sake of attracting men for eons. Madonna build a lucrative career on a lesser version of the same "sale". I'm simply saying it has no appeal for me for these reasons. I prefer women who don't tart up and don't come across as so starved for sexual pleasure (ne' big dicks) that they would literally fall over in spiked heels and spend thousands on crotchless panties just to get it.

[Dan_77]

Quote by: lsbskins1 It is degrading because it does not address the sexual wants or desires of the women, it exists for and panders to the desires of the men that are expected to be its audience.

Geez, projection much?

You mean it doesn't address the sexual wants or desires of YOU.

The women are little more than props, whose actual passions matter little. If women can't even "own" their own sexuality, what can they own?

Maybe they ARE owning it, and they're simply owning it in a way that doesn't appeal to you.

I'm not saying it should be banned or anything like that. A woman should be free to exploit herself for gain if she wishes.

Gee, how open of you...

And women have been preening and shorting their own needs for the sake of attracting men for eons.

And men for women. And women for other women... Or are you going to pretend that image doesn't matter in your community?

Madonna build a lucrative career on a lesser version of the same "sale". I'm simply saying it has no appeal for me for these reasons. I prefer women who don't tart up and don't come across as so starved for sexual pleasure (ne' big dicks) that they would literally fall over in spiked heels and spend thousands on crotchless panties just to get it.

Having no appeal - for you - is a far cry from something being "degrading."

[tinybear]

Quote by: Vicksykate tinybear: No, I do not believe that straight women in lesbian porn films should be paid more. If they choose to take on a specific role then that’s their decision. It’s almost like saying an actor who votes for the democrats but plays a republican in a movie should be paid more than if a republican was cast in the role. It’s a job, and sexual orientation shouldn’t come into it. If it was implemented would that mean that if a straight woman in the pornography industry didn’t find her male counterpart attractive she could demand more pay? If not, what would be the difference if it’s all based in sexual attraction?

Oh. Well, I was just thinking maybe it takes more effort for a non-lesbian actress to act as a lesbian than for one who is really lesbian. Ya see what I'm saying?

[Vicksykate]

Quote by: tinybear Oh. Well, I was just thinking maybe it takes more effort for a non-lesbian actress to act as a lesbian than for one who is really lesbian. Ya see what I'm saying?

Yep, I see what you’re saying and you did have a point :)
However, another point I considered is that generally porn stars do not go into the industry because they enjoy (necessarily) having sex with whoever they act with. It’s a job, and just because women don’t turn them on doesn’t necessarily mean that the men they perform with on camera turn them on either.

[lsbskins1]

Quote by: Dan_77 Geez, projection much? You mean it doesn't address the sexual wants or desires of YOU. Maybe they ARE owning it, and they're simply owning it in a way that doesn't appeal to you. Gee, how open of you... And men for women. And women for other women... Or are you going to pretend that image doesn't matter in your community? Having no appeal - for you - is a far cry from something being "degrading."

I know lots of straight women, none of whom find the "sex kitten" persona to be very fulfilling for them personally. They do it to "please the man", not because it makes them feel more passionate or more aroused. It is degrading. Some people like being degraded, I'm sure. More power to them. And I love your faux indignation at my statement about women being free to exploit themselves. One does not have to personally view all individual choices as positive, one just has to accept the freedom of another to make their own personal choices. If it does not infringe on my freedom or harm others against their will or consent, I don't give a shit what someone does. If you want to cover yourself, head to toe, in body-art, have horns implanted on your skull and file your teeth to fine points, that is up to you. I support your freedom to do so. I think it is stupid, but it ain't hurting me or anyone else. If that ain't "open" enough for you...I don't really care. And maybe some small percentage of those women are "owning it". More power to them. If it makes you feel better to think women like that crap, you just keep right on believing it. In the vast majority of cases, they don't. Take a poll, do a scientific study, whatever. I think you will find I am right. That is the very definition of degrading. When an individual subordinates their own wants and desires so as to please another and gets no like consideration in return, then they have degraded themselves for the pleasure of another.