Bestiality and Homosexuality go hand in hand

[tinybear]

How is homosexuality 'beneficial to society at large'?

[SoylentGreen]

Quote by: tinybear How is homosexuality 'beneficial to society at large'?

or cute little bears

[tinybear]

Actually homosexuality is not beneficial to society. In fact there is evidence to the contrary.

[Cruella]

Provide it, please.

[GeminiBrian]

Quote by: tinybear How is homosexuality 'beneficial to society at large'?

In much the same way that the non-white (and other minority) members of society are a benefit to it, tinybear.

[tinybear]

Quote by: GeminiBrian In much the same way that the non-white (and other minority) members of society are a benefit to it, tinybear.

Somehow I don't see the connection.

[tinybear]

Quote by: Cruella Provide it, please.

OK.

Homosexual Problems and Same Sex Marriage

[Cruella]

That's hardly an unbiased source, Tinybear. Do you have any sources that aren't from a pressure group, please?

[GeminiBrian]

Quote by: tinybear Somehow I don't see the connection.

So are you saying that any society isn't enriched by cultural diversity, or made more vibrant by difference, or more colourful by the eccentric and unusual?

I regularly go to the wonderful Chinese supermarkets here in London's Soho Chinatown for supplies and surprises. Very enjoyable - I also frequent the outlets of many other 'ethnic' groups for the same reason... To me, the presence and availability of this ethnic dimension adds immeasurably to my love of living in London.

Likewise the gay culture (which has its main focus in a street adjoining Chinatown as it happens). In recent years, the gay culture, with its exuberant entertainment, its love of celebration and unique sense of deflating humour has become just as noteworthy feature of life in Britain just as, say, the Jewish community, which is also celebrated for its distinctive sense of humour and irreverent, self-mocking wit.

Wipe away all of this, tiny, and what are you left with? - I'll tell you what -- a drab, drab society stuck up its own boring fundament, and absolutely no fun to be part of.

That's what you want to see, is it?

[GeminiBrian]

Quote by: Cruella That's hardly an unbiased source, Tinybear. Do you have any sources that aren't from a pressure group, please?

ps. Cruella - when are you going to put me out of my pedantic misery and correct the glaring mis-spelling in the title of this already depressing thread?

[Cruella]

Brian, please address moderation issues by PM!

[GeminiBrian]

[QUOTE]

Quote by: The Bacon Guy I suppose I do have enough experience debating with you to know you don't offer proof for any of your claims.

Right - you mean my world isn't autistically black and white, and that I sometimes think outside of the box?

Uh, what? I'm asking you to prove that it causes the animals suffering. So prove it.

Please stop reading only every other paragraph of mine - I went to great lengths to establish that we are not in an area where proof is available, hence your floundering.

If no proof of the claim exists, you shouldn't make the claim.

Why not? is it illegal to speculate? Is it against the rules to discuss the relevant possibilities like adults?

We've been through this. You can't debate feelings. You say you feel something is wrong. I say I feel it isn't. What is there to debate?

Black and white again - your speciality. You stick to bald statements if you like, I am free to read between the lines as much as I like - that's where the real interest lies.

And we both know that feelings are not always right, regardless of how many people share them. Look at homosexuality. No matter how many differences you can come up with between bestiality and homosexualuty, people's past attitudes towards homosexuals prove that society's feelings on people's sexual preferences can be wrong

I was under the impression that I had addressed myself to the fundamental differences at some length - you really expect me to repeat myself? Homosexuals have tongues in their mouths, and can convince their detractors with direct testimony that what they allege about gay relationships is demonstrably wrong, straight from the horse's mouth, as it were (pardon the bad metaphor) - but a real horse, sheep, dog or goat can offer no testimony - a big difference, IMO.

You don't give people help to relate to other humans by default; you have to prove or at least provide reasoning that they actually have trouble relating to other humans.

I have never known anybody attracted to bestiality, but if someone of this persuasion were to introduce themselves to me. I guess my immediate reaction would be to think 1: how could you do this to an animal?... and (probably) 2: how can you do this to yourself?

Whether it's ultimately a damaging practice or not, that person is going to face a great deal of hostility - and may well not be mentally strong enough to cope with this hostility on their own - very possibly resulting in unhappiness and anxiety.

The idea that people need help relating to other human beings is not my default position.

Nor mine. But if they find a goat more attractive than a human being, is it unreasonable to suppose that they have their wires slightly crossed? And if so, they might well appreciate a sympathetic hearing on the grounds that they are sexually confused, to say the least?

Unlike homosexuality, there is no clinical evidence that I am aware of that suggests anybody's brain is hard-wired to find animals attractive, and in the absence of such, my intuition that bestiality is a pathological condition as opposed to a natural inclination is just as valid as your contrary view.

As things stand, neither of us can prove anything, or be reasonably asked to do so.

[tinybear]

Quote by: GeminiBrian So are you saying that any society isn't enriched by cultural diversity, or made more vibrant by difference, or more colourful by the eccentric and unusual? I regularly go to the wonderful Chinese supermarkets here in London's Soho Chinatown for supplies and surprises. Very enjoyable - I also frequent the outlets of many other 'ethnic' groups for the same reason... To me, the presence and availability of this ethnic dimension adds immeasurably to my love of living in London. Likewise the gay culture (which has its main focus in a street adjoining Chinatown as it happens). In recent years, the gay culture, with its exuberant entertainment, its love of celebration and unique sense of deflating humour has become just as noteworthy feature of life in Britain just as, say, the Jewish community, which is also celebrated for its distinctive sense of humour and irreverent, self-mocking wit. Wipe away all of this, tiny, and what are you left with? - I'll tell you what -- a drab, drab society stuck up its own boring fundament, and absolutely no fun to be part of. That's what you want to see, is it?

This is not cultural diversity we're looking at here. It's a difference in sexual orientation and personal lifestyle. Totally different kettle of fish.

[princessme23]

How is homosexuality 'beneficial to society at large'

Maybe its natures way of stopping the planet becoming grossly over populated and using the earths natural resources?
It would probably help if more people were gay then in dense areas of population there wouldbe less people breeding!

[tinybear]

Nature's way of controlling the population is by pandemics (like the one we're having right now).

[princessme23]

how do you know thats all nature has intended for us regarding population control?

Being gay is obviously going to keep a tiny amount of the population down, I see that as good thing!

[tinybear]

Of course, another way to do it is by way or torrential rain/floods or fire raining down from the skies.

(It has happened before, you see)

[princessme23]

lol, I hope you arent throwing bible quotes at me tiny!

[tinybear]

And, look at it this way, they were lots of gays in Sodom and Gommorah, right? Right. And God razed the two cities to the ground nonetheless, right? Right. So, apparently, God didn't think of gays as a means of population control, as otherwise gays would have been spared. Ya see what I'm saying?

[princessme23]

maybe you would be correct if I believed in God, but thats a different thread!