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Impenitent · Feb 9, 2004, 10:45 am

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Leopard,)
ROFL!

Rights are not 'imposed' on other people! how do you EVER get to that point? Rights are, by definition, 'negative' - meaning they do NOT require the positive action of others to be enforced. a 'positive' right is one that forces other to take an action - for instance: calling welfare a 'Right' would be an example of a 'positive' right in that it forces others to pay money to the welfare recipient. A true 'right' is negative, ie: the right to live - nobody has to do anything for you to try to live and maintain yourself, the 'right' to speech: nobody else has to do anything, or even provide you with an audience or a platform, for you to freely exercise this right (unless you want to do so on someone elses property...)

rights/smites...

michael<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

look at what you said...

"calling welfare a 'Right' would be an example of a 'positive' right in that it forces others to pay money to the welfare recipient."

FORCES OTHERS TO PAY

that is imposed on someone else, you make my argument

they are imposed on other people by virtue that you expect others to allow you to speak and live... the other has the perfect ability to silence you and or kill you... how do you prevent them from acting? appealing to a right to life and speech? hardly...

Feb 9, 2004, 10:45 am	#40 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Leopard,) ROFL! Rights are not 'imposed' on other people! how do you EVER get to that point? Rights are, by definition, 'negative' - meaning they do NOT require the positive action of others to be enforced. a 'positive' right is one that forces other to take an action - for instance: calling welfare a 'Right' would be an example of a 'positive' right in that it forces others to pay money to the welfare recipient. A true 'right' is negative, ie: the right to live - nobody has to do anything for you to try to live and maintain yourself, the 'right' to speech: nobody else has to do anything, or even provide you with an audience or a platform, for you to freely exercise this right (unless you want to do so on someone elses property...) rights/smites... michael<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> look at what you said... "calling welfare a 'Right' would be an example of a 'positive' right in that it forces others to pay money to the welfare recipient." FORCES OTHERS TO PAY that is imposed on someone else, you make my argument they are imposed on other people by virtue that you expect others to allow you to speak and live... the other has the perfect ability to silence you and or kill you... how do you prevent them from acting? appealing to a right to life and speech? hardly... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...