[Starboy]

Quote by: jeffl When i say 'Truth' i mean that aspect of reality that persist in harmony past the end of time. When i say 'truth' i mean reality as it is understandably and reasonably perceived by the relivant conscious aspect.

Based on that definition, at this time right now, how can you know the "truth"?

Yes, but in order to proceed i've had to make certain assumptions. I will assume you are an honest and reasonable person, atleast to start.

And I also make assumptions about you.

It's a test.

Test, expermiment, is there a difference?

It's an awesome execution of justice; in which the conscious aspect is all of judge, jury, executioner, victim, and criminal.

Now you just ramble. You might as well say it is also a can opener.

Perhaps. I've done a bit of school; read Penrose's 'The Emperor's New Mind'. I've been thinking alot about ambient (extracellular) neurotransmitter concentrations and dendritic spine formation. And lately about Glial cells and how they might affect ambient nt concentrations. I get the feeling that emotional states might be mediated by glial cells, at least in part. I think consciousness has more to do with vortecies of nt concentrations, interacting within and across layers of neurons; than it does with some quantum ordering of water around the microtubules.

Great, then perhaps you can tell me how "ambient (extracellular) neurotransmitter concentrations and dendritic spine formation" directly relates to conciousness? So how do hormones play into emotion then? That last bit about vortices of nt concentrations looks like some BS you made up or copied from some place. And that bit about quantum ordering of water around the microtubules is too much. You forgot to add the quantum entangled states between the phospholipid molecule structure and the mitochondria RNA.

Whaddayathink?

I think that Sarfatti has paranoramally projected nt vorticies in your head and they have sucked your brains out.

This says if far better than I ever could:

http://www.qedcorp.com/pcr/pcr/pq/pq.htm
http://www.qedcorp.com/pcr/pcr/sar.html

Starboy