| Geoff332: A few comments on your post.
“The fact of variation is enough”
This is quite untrue. Variation is observable and proven in all species (in which variation is possible of course, without going into asexual reproduction and all the details). But, variation is just that: a varying. It does not and cannot bring about an entire different species! And therein lies the problem. There is absolutely no evidence for any sort of macroevolution from one species to another. Neither is there evidence for chemical evolution, cosmic evolution, and on and on. To say that variation is enough is far from the truth. In fact, natural selection (and the variations it brings about) was rejected decades ago even by the most prominent evolutionary scientists as being responsible for macroevolutionary changes. Variation is a fact, its tested and proven. Natural selection is a fact, its tested and proven. But these do not bring about transitions from one species to another, this is also a fact. To do so requires the inputting of new genetic information and specific design. Variations simply rearrange the genetic information available.
“Hitler's (supposed) support for evolution has no effect on whether it is true.”
Yes this is true, but that was not the purpose of the discussion. The purpose was more on the philosophical side, showing the impacts evolutionary theory has had on society.
“Basically, science is systematic approach to knowledge that is value neutral.”
That is a beautiful statement. The problem is, in the mainstream scientific arena at least, that true science (as you describe it) is not taking place. Much like I described previously and in earlier posts, mainstream science is being undertaken with the preconceived idea that evolution is fact. Data is not taken to test evolutionary theory, it is taken in light of evolutionary theory meaning that data, whether harmful to the theory or not, is woven into the story carefully in order to further convince believing scientists as well as the public that it is ‘fact.’ Unfortunately, this is in no way science.
“So, my question is this:
What tests can be derived that will falsify a creationist model of the variety of species on the planet?”
None! But see the problem is, none can be taken to falsify the evolutionist model either. So why is evolution see as scientific fact and taught as so in society and most importantly in the classroom, which creation is quickly and harshly labeled fanatic fundamentalism for the intellectual, and banished from the classroom? |