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Quote by: fogus The only way anyone can call something morally right or wrong is to appeal to a supernatural being. We ourselves are not capable of making objective rules (the reason being that we disagree a lot, and there is no consensus as to who is right and who is wrong)...<snip> |
Good luck trying to explain this to him, I've tried and was unsuccessful.
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Quote by: Starboy perfecto, you are full of it. The history of marriage is a very interesting one and has just about nothing to do with having children. In case you haven't noticed, people do not appear to have any problems with having children no matter what official status of their relationship.
But this is not about marriage. This is about family. The government does recognize and grant the status of family to people who have no children and have no intention of ever having children. They do this through the mechanism of marriage. That is the law. Homos have families right now. They have life long commitments to each other and co-habitat and share everything that a childless family shares. It is their right to have the same treatment under the law as this childless couple. Now if you want to make a case that that in order to get married the couple must have already produced a child, then that is fine. I have no problem with that. Then since a homo couple could not do that then they would not be allowed such a marriage. But the childless hetero couple would also not be allowed such a marriage. But that is not what is on the books and nobody is talking about such a thing. So not allowing homos to marry is unequal treatment.
Then you must be a leftist, since you appear to have an extreme hatred of my traditions. It is even funnier that my traditions are American traditions. You know, freedom, equality, human rights. mr. perfecto, you appear to be a perfect idiot.
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Note the italics.
This is entirely about marriage. A homosexual couple does not share every thing a childless heterosexual couple does because a homsexual relationship has no possibility of creating new human beings. And please note that a heterosexual couple is supposed to be married
before they start working on children.
I don't hate American traditions, but I suspect I have a more thorough knowledge of what those traditions are and why they exist.