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bishop · Jan 15, 2005, 07:00 pm

you asked so many questions that i'm not sure what your point was.

seems to me that you're also assuming that i'm pro-israel, which couldn't be further than the truth. i think both sides are aggressive and decadent.. i think they could even deserve each other. there is no one better, they're both different sides of the same coin.

and, why shouldn't resistance to oppression relate to advancing one's cause??? that implies that the palestinians are fighting for nothing - as you yourself stated. i clearly stated what i felt were legitimate targets from the palestinians' perspective - settlers and the IDF. palestinian attacks, despite their methods, against those targets would clearly support the cause - of palestinian sovereignty.

however, rogue terrorists like the ones who staged this recent attack fight not to better the palestinian peoples' lives - they fight simply out of hatred and bloodlust. i'm not going to debate the reasons why they have such hatred, i'll just accept the fact that they do possess said feelings. those dumb bastards, rather than giving abbas a chance to foster an improved political relationship with the israelis, have instead given sharon yet another reason to kill more palestinians. and i'm sure that sharon will be more than happy to oblige.

the whole problem with most people who argue about this issue is that they tend to pick one side over another. even those who say that they're both bad still seem to view one as being worse than the other. i'm suggesting that they're both despicable, and that they both suffer from the same hate and bloodlust. despite this, i also believe that there are many people in both nations that do want peace - those people are not palestinian terrorists, nor are they the IDF (as a whole) or renegade settlers. my suggestion earlier in this thread was that sharon should not break off ties with abbas, because this is their golden opportunity to build trust amongst one another now that arafat is gone. you toss that aside, and this tragedy will only continue, with spectators on the outside blaming one side more than another.

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bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	you asked so many questions that i'm not sure what your point was. seems to me that you're also assuming that i'm pro-israel, which couldn't be further than the truth. i think both sides are aggressive and decadent.. i think they could even deserve each other. there is no one better, they're both different sides of the same coin. and, why shouldn't resistance to oppression relate to advancing one's cause??? that implies that the palestinians are fighting for nothing - as you yourself stated. i clearly stated what i felt were legitimate targets from the palestinians' perspective - settlers and the IDF. palestinian attacks, despite their methods, against those targets would clearly support the cause - of palestinian sovereignty. however, rogue terrorists like the ones who staged this recent attack fight not to better the palestinian peoples' lives - they fight simply out of hatred and bloodlust. i'm not going to debate the reasons why they have such hatred, i'll just accept the fact that they do possess said feelings. those dumb bastards, rather than giving abbas a chance to foster an improved political relationship with the israelis, have instead given sharon yet another reason to kill more palestinians. and i'm sure that sharon will be more than happy to oblige. the whole problem with most people who argue about this issue is that they tend to pick one side over another. even those who say that they're both bad still seem to view one as being worse than the other. i'm suggesting that they're both despicable, and that they both suffer from the same hate and bloodlust. despite this, i also believe that there are many people in both nations that do want peace - those people are not palestinian terrorists, nor are they the IDF (as a whole) or renegade settlers. my suggestion earlier in this thread was that sharon should not break off ties with abbas, because this is their golden opportunity to build trust amongst one another now that arafat is gone. you toss that aside, and this tragedy will only continue, with spectators on the outside blaming one side more than another. Last edited by bishop; Jan 15, 2005 at 07:02 pm.