[jpapadpapa]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
It comes down to which is the logical assumption and what data do we have to intrepret. Seeing as no one has yet proved the indirect effects due to a creator let alone observe the creator itself, I think in science we can clearly disregard any model concerning with it.

The problem you have is that you don't want to accept the science, no matter how much "proof" we have you'll just ignore it, and it's showing.

If you've got evidence that the creator designed and created all species on earth, then present it to us for then we can see it with our own eyes. Being told by an ancient book to blindly believe anything is not something I am willing to accept.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
The longer I am on here, the more frustrated I have become because, as I keep saying, I am just one person and I don't have the time to refute everything you all throw at me. <sigh> I really feel overwhelmed. I understand that to you it simply appears that I don't have any evidence to refute yours. However, there is nothing I can say to change your mind. I feel I have made some very good points on lack of evidence to support evolution, but we all have a tendency to see only what we want to see. And, for every point I have made, I seem to get at least several counter-arguments. How can one person have the time to refute every point? We all have specific areas with which we are more comfortable and I simply have to pick and choose which points I will address. Also, maybe I am just not as good at arguing what I believe as some of you are. Does this automatically make my belief wrong?

The biggest evidence for creation, in my opinion, is simple common sense. You can make anything sound good with a lot of "scientific talk" and examples, but that does not prove a theory to be true. To me and many others, the miracle of nature, outside the other proof, is enough "proof" of a designer. What are the chances that you all, with all your intellegence (;, simply evolved? Has anyone experienced the miracle of childbirth? With all the things that could go wrong, how does a tiny little infant develop so perfectly with deformities being rare? We are such intricate, complex creatures. Regardless of the billions of years, it just seems like such a fantastic, impossible idea that we evolved. How did we evolve the capacity for logic? Where did we get our morals and ethics from? How can these things evolve and from what do they evolve? They are abstract. And from what did we evolve? Where did it all start? Nothing comes from nothing. When have we ever witnessed this? In my belief, only God can create something out of nothing. God has always been and always will be. These, of course, are matters of faith because science has limits. How could God be God--someone far superior in intellegence--if we could simply explain everything related to His existence with science? Having said this, please don't mock me for my religious beliefs. You may disagree respectfully, but please don't mock my faith or my God.

Finally, an analogy that I will borrow from a friend of mine: Can any of you refute the existence of my husband? He is real and he loves me, but I cannot prove that to you. I can show you evidence in the form of some computer programs that he's written and some letters to me, but that will not prove anything to most of you. I cannot "prove" the existence of God to you. I do know that there have been many antagonistic people who have read the Bible with the intent to disprove it and have found that they cannot. Many of these people actually become converts. On a personal level, I can also tell you of all the very specific answers to prayer I've had through the years (and get a lot of mocking for it, probably) and I can tell you about miracles I've seen. I can even point to evidences of a God in the creation, as many of you want me to do. But, just as you cannot prove evolution, I cannot "prove" creation or that there is a God. But, I have seen the evidence that is all around us, both scientific and otherwise. There just isn't time for me to put forth every argument and refute every counter-argument in one little thread.

There is a book I have been reading called "What is Creation Science?" If anyone feels they are up for the challenge, I highly recommend it. But, I am probably wasting my words, since I doubt any of you will bother.

I'm done here. I don't think this is profitable and I don't see it as ever being profitable. I believe you all have been blinded to the Truth and have accepted evolution, a theory based on assumptions, poor evidence, and logical fallacies, despite the scientific-sounding jargon. I believe you will do whatever it takes to defend it because the alternative is to believe there is a God who created you. To believe that we all evolved is easier because it means we would have no one to answer to. It allows us to be proud and arrogant and think we are the highest intellegence. It allows us to be a god to ourselves and answer to no one. I am not trying to incite anyone, but I am speaking honestly about what I believe. So, I hope you don't take it personally and become defensive, but rather take a good, hard look at what you believe and why. The former reaction is unproductive, while the latter just might surprise you.

Thanks to those of you who were kind and courteous in your responses and to those of you who had open minds.