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m5lange1 · Nov 23, 2004, 09:27 am

I have a very unique perspective being a speech pahtologist that wokrs in many schools both private and public. I have also worked in many cities.

My current posiition serves private, public, affluent and low income area schools.

I am telling you the carriculum differences are minute. In fact they very more from school to school than from private to public school.
The difference is that, as it stands now with private schools, charter schools and vouchers, the dregs of the dregs are still being shuffeled into the public schools and it shows.

Actually I hope education DOES go all private in my lifetime. I want to see the public reaction when the TURE hardcore population no longer has a public school dumping ground.
One of three things will come to pass.
1. They will start closing private schools and continue firing the same people only from a different employer.
2. The problem will go away because politicians and the media will no longer demand accountablitiy because the public is no longer paying for it.
3. Competitive accountablity (as in business) will be too bad if your area is too small to support competition in schools, or your area too poor to draws in any interest.
THAT IS the poor area schools will still fail (probably more so since all the pressure will be removed) but no one will care so it will not be news.
(All those poor kiddies will be left behind but it won't be in our face anymore).

Naturally teachers should be accountable. But no more than any other professional.

And for some reason (I am sure it is the scapegoating) none of the conditions are addressed when they are taken to account.

NO ONE seems to want to allow for conditions.

It is beyond me why people fall back on the same old rehtoric
"Well they have tro be held accountable" without giving them the same considerations we give other professions.

Just like this post. No one wants to seriously address the comparrisons...

Cops don't keep crime down in Watts LA as well as they do in Pleasanttown Iowa. We understand and make allowances for a more difficult job.

As I did above I could make these comparisons for soldiers in Faluja (sorry about the spelling) not keeping the peace as well as those in other areas of Iraq.

Or politicians not keeping a budget balanced in more difficult economic times.

Or Hospitals that cannot get patients out of their Cancer wards as quickly as the maternity wards.

It is one thing to sit around and verbally blame tachers and allow nothing for conditions, but once we start fireing them it becomes more serious.

It is a rediculous and harmful action that will not solve the problem, it just costs someone to loose their job unfairly.

I KNOW no one out there will address this but I am sure none of you who read this really believe all the low income area populations just happen to keep getting the inadequate teachers.

I KNOW no one out there will address this but could the staff of a good scoring school be taken to that failing school and fix it?
I actually suggested this at a district meeting once. I really wish you could have seen the looks on the faces of the teachers from the affluent schools.
It sure as hell was not confidence or a "bring it on" attitude I can tell you.

MY CHALLLANGE (funny answers accepted but serious ones would be appriciated.

SO
Is a policeman who is willing to take a job in inner city Detroit
a). The kind of person we need and admire.
b). Someone who should be fired in 4 years if he cannot get the crime in his precinct to the national average.
c.) Someone who sholuld hold off until the private sector takes over policing the area because the job will be easier to do then.
d). A damned fool who should know better than to take the job.

(if you answer d please tell me what you think we should do about policing the target area)

Is a teacher who is willing to take a job in inner city Detroit
a). The kind of person we need and admire.
b). Someone who should be fired in 4 years if he cannot get the test scores in his school to the national average.
c.) Someone who sholuld hold off until the private sector takes over the school because the job will be easier to do then.
d). A damned fool who should know better than to take the job.

(if you answer d please tell me what you think we should do about educating the target population).

Nov 23, 2004, 09:27 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
m5lange1 Igneous Magma Posts: 654	I have a very unique perspective being a speech pahtologist that wokrs in many schools both private and public. I have also worked in many cities. My current posiition serves private, public, affluent and low income area schools. I am telling you the carriculum differences are minute. In fact they very more from school to school than from private to public school. The difference is that, as it stands now with private schools, charter schools and vouchers, the dregs of the dregs are still being shuffeled into the public schools and it shows. Actually I hope education DOES go all private in my lifetime. I want to see the public reaction when the TURE hardcore population no longer has a public school dumping ground. One of three things will come to pass. 1. They will start closing private schools and continue firing the same people only from a different employer. 2. The problem will go away because politicians and the media will no longer demand accountablitiy because the public is no longer paying for it. 3. Competitive accountablity (as in business) will be too bad if your area is too small to support competition in schools, or your area too poor to draws in any interest. THAT IS the poor area schools will still fail (probably more so since all the pressure will be removed) but no one will care so it will not be news. (All those poor kiddies will be left behind but it won't be in our face anymore). Naturally teachers should be accountable. But no more than any other professional. And for some reason (I am sure it is the scapegoating) none of the conditions are addressed when they are taken to account. NO ONE seems to want to allow for conditions. It is beyond me why people fall back on the same old rehtoric "Well they have tro be held accountable" without giving them the same considerations we give other professions. Just like this post. No one wants to seriously address the comparrisons... Cops don't keep crime down in Watts LA as well as they do in Pleasanttown Iowa. We understand and make allowances for a more difficult job. As I did above I could make these comparisons for soldiers in Faluja (sorry about the spelling) not keeping the peace as well as those in other areas of Iraq. Or politicians not keeping a budget balanced in more difficult economic times. Or Hospitals that cannot get patients out of their Cancer wards as quickly as the maternity wards. It is one thing to sit around and verbally blame tachers and allow nothing for conditions, but once we start fireing them it becomes more serious. It is a rediculous and harmful action that will not solve the problem, it just costs someone to loose their job unfairly. I KNOW no one out there will address this but I am sure none of you who read this really believe all the low income area populations just happen to keep getting the inadequate teachers. I KNOW no one out there will address this but could the staff of a good scoring school be taken to that failing school and fix it? I actually suggested this at a district meeting once. I really wish you could have seen the looks on the faces of the teachers from the affluent schools. It sure as hell was not confidence or a "bring it on" attitude I can tell you. MY CHALLLANGE (funny answers accepted but serious ones would be appriciated. SO Is a policeman who is willing to take a job in inner city Detroit a). The kind of person we need and admire. b). Someone who should be fired in 4 years if he cannot get the crime in his precinct to the national average. c.) Someone who sholuld hold off until the private sector takes over policing the area because the job will be easier to do then. d). A damned fool who should know better than to take the job. (if you answer d please tell me what you think we should do about policing the target area) Is a teacher who is willing to take a job in inner city Detroit a). The kind of person we need and admire. b). Someone who should be fired in 4 years if he cannot get the test scores in his school to the national average. c.) Someone who sholuld hold off until the private sector takes over the school because the job will be easier to do then. d). A damned fool who should know better than to take the job. (if you answer d please tell me what you think we should do about educating the target population). Protester against the culture war!!!!