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Nice a "evolutionary psychology" debate..which is also known as "Sociobiology" so both are the exact same thing..(it used to be called Sociobiology)

I would like to set a couple thoughts here first.

What happens to animals when they are placed in a cage? Well Animals act totally different then how they would in the free environment.

Now same with Humans.....we humans have placed a cage around ourseleves....ie cities, jobs etc....

The other point I would like to bring up is "status"
which status are you? High, middle, or low? and how to you react to this status?

Does everybody like to be the best at something? Best forum poster? Best at their job? Best at their school work? Best at forming opinions? Best at being social? Best at being un social? These are all status seeking "sub-groups" which brings me to GROUPS -- who are in these? Well higher up people (the rich)

The basic idea is - if one fails at high status group, one will form a sub-group and be good at that - and so on.

Everybody wants an identity! Opinions, Tattoos, job description, interests are all forms of identity....its our basic biological instinct!

Another term that you guys are touching on is "Socialization" this term consists of Media, Education, Peers, and most important family. Socialization refers to social processes through which an individual becomes incorporated into a social group by learning the group’s culture and his or her roles in that group. It is largely through this process that the individual’s concept of self is formed. Socialization also enables us to form social identities and the awareness of what goes on in our minds. A lot of Sociology people say people are nutured to be racist instead of instinctial - ie (racism, sexism, bureaucratic)

Now this is true, But most of these things are instinctual. However sexism and racism have been snowballed turning into a nutured thing. Because we Humans do have reason right? haha no we just have More instincts! The overall view of it is we still carry in us MANY our primative biological instincts. Now most people may act like they have "reason" but most just form to their environment.

Just because we punish people for doing something wrong does not mean we have reason. I would like a better example of what REASON is.

Homosexuals seek love and sex outside of reproduction. The emotion of love is something we do experience, so it isn't just "to reproduce" because love exists outside of sex, and sex outside of love

Yeah so what? they have fucked up genes. My theory is its a way that can help keep the population at a certain point. Did love come before sex? Were there homosexuals 1 million years ago? Love is a term coined by our language and denial of our animal ancestors.

This is one of the examples i found. Pointing at a possible underlinning social drive. But there are others. Perhaps not reaching the same degree as this. But for example. Firemen, have been known to 'risk' they lives to rescue 'strangers'. You could argue, that this is there job. But in some cases, it is too the point. Of even there collegue's. Say that they are a true 'hero'. That it went against protocol. etc. I know this is highly conditional. But this one person is risking their survivial for a complete stranger.

They are risking their survival so they can be on the news (ego) and Maybe climb the ladder of status by becoming a fire fighter who commands how to handle a fire.

This whole discussion is extremely generalizing in the first place...

This topic is about evolution...it takes millions of years to see differences. Of course this is generalized.

This conversation is not based on primative and shallow concepts such as Love, Reason, politics and religion but where the human (race) is actually going.

I have said it tons of other times on this board and I will say it again Buy The Human Zoo - by desmond Harris...this book will change your opinion on everything.