| Fyrdman
Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152 | Okay, I'll give it a go. Please, those big on evolution follow me and cover my holes, doubtless there will be many, as I havn't studied either sides arguments well because I, usually, really don't care. It has no impact on my life either way (well in one possible way, i'll put it at the end).
The universe starts with the big bang (oh wow, strong argument, defend a theory with a theory...just look at the way the universe is expanding, rewind it all and yup we did have a big bang). Off and away our hydrogen and helium molecules go. Clusters form. Heat up, expand, collapse, new molecules. On and on and now we have earth, about 4.6 billion years ago. Do creatures just appear? Nope. We can start looking at evidence now. Earliest life forms, single cell creatures like blue green's and algea form around 3.5 billion years ago. First Dinosaurs appear in the scythian epoch of the Triassic Period or the Mesozoic Era (i wanted to be a paleontologist when I was little...) about 260 million years ago. See the advance? 60 million years ago Dinosaurs go out out, small mammals, crocs and sharks stay. 3 million years roughly Ostrolopithicus leaves the trees and moves into the savana. 2000ad, man begins devolution...
Thats just the time frame of things happening. Now being a logical person, I like to see reason and where possible some empirical evidence. Did God create the world in 7 days? Hrm, 7 days...7 billion years more like. But then you could say the seven days just refer to epochs, and each bit came one after the other, like my mini history of earth up there. (You know I had to read Genesis just now to make this argument??) This doesn't add up either.
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning-the first day. "
Well sorry to say the light came long before the earth did. The sun had to exist similar to its current state in order for it's gravitational field to trap the molecules that would become earth into an orbit.
Onto day 2
"And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning-the second day. "
There wasn't water to begin with, there was a molten planet and gravity. In Laymens terms, volcanic activity releases CO2, gravity traps it in an orbit, warms planet, reacts with the hydrogen, we have water people, and carbon (don't ask me where that went). So the sky, if we're referring to the atmosphere (because sky is really crappy for a subject, it's just that up there), came before the seas.
Day 3
"And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning-the third day. "
Sad to say wrong again. This earth began with a solid (molten maybe? geology people out there?) surface first, the water formed on top of it. So wrong order.
Don't know my paleobotanical history, so can't comment on the timing of the vegetation, except that grass came, at the earliest, at the very end of the cretatious period. So all those dinosaur films are usually wrong, and it irritates me.
Day 4
And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights-the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning-the fourth day.
Oh boy is this easy. Well I'll give you my material to pick apart. Again the sun came first. The moon's not a light, just a reflector. All the other stars are like the sun, some newer, some older. Once again time scale is shoddy.
Day 5
And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." 23 And there was evening, and there was morning-the fifth day.
The times of the first birds and the first sea creatures are far, faaar apart. Also note that it says 'every winged bird' to it's kind. So why were some birds not around 300 million years ago that are around today? Did God get lax and add them in later? If so he forgot to tell the publishers.
Day 6
And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [2] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground-everything that has the breath of life in it-I give every green plant for food." And it was so.
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning-the sixth day.
Now, again, these all didn't come together around the same time. There were big, big bloody mammals long before we hit the scene, yet the bible lumps us all together.
Another point I've thought of, were in the bible does it say "And God shall create a new strain of the cold virus each week, so no matter how hard these foolish humans try, they will not find a cure, nor even a decent set of drugs to treat the symptoms. *manic laughter*"
You know why it doesn't? Because the cold virus mutates for different environments and even different humans. The cold you passed on one week could come back to you six weeks later to knock you on your arse again as a very different strain of the cold virus. You know what this is called? Evolution! And if the cold virus evolves, why can't we?
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
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