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darwinist · Jan 23, 2004, 04:40 pm

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I believe there are moral absolutes, having remained absolutes throughout human history and not influenced by any cultural bias. I know of no culture where theft is a "good" thing, here and now or any time in history. Theft has always been "bad" behavior.If no set of moral ideas were truer or better than any other, there would be no sense in preferring civilized morality to savage morality. The fact is that we all do believe some moralities are better than others. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Yes Ron, here you have the basis of the whole thread of justice. But i agree with what some of Adams has to say. Religoen has in history been used as a weapon to enforce someone's vision of justice. Just like Hitler or Saddam. Or the US or UK government today.

You have to stand upon the Moral high ground, then do not move from there. The USA went to war, over weapons of mass destruction. Which i don't think anyone believes. Read my thread about the Iraq War or Adams thread about Euro and Oil. It mentions there. That the USA are commiting some of the very things, that they set out to stop. If they went to war for a lie, that is even worse. But this all boils down to duplicity of morality. They teach all school children. That it is bad to bully. But what does the USA do, for an example. It bullies poorer nations into agree with the WTO.

The basis of justice. Has to be simple. The law has to enforce justice. Not anything else. As it does now. Like you mention, theft is a bad thing. In every society. You will not find any place, where they say. It is ok to steal. The same applies i believe to murder. To put it simple, you are not allow to do anything to harm another person. Physically or financially.

The biggest problem that i see in the current system. Is the duel values. If i want to commit a crime. There is the police to stop me. But i happen to know, that companies and governments are breaking the laws left, right and centre. What do i have to do? I can't call the police. I have to sue. Write loads of letters and have loads of cash. This is not just.

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darwinist Igneous Magma Location: Netherlands Posts: 200	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by I believe there are moral absolutes, having remained absolutes throughout human history and not influenced by any cultural bias. I know of no culture where theft is a "good" thing, here and now or any time in history. Theft has always been "bad" behavior.If no set of moral ideas were truer or better than any other, there would be no sense in preferring civilized morality to savage morality. The fact is that we all do believe some moralities are better than others. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Yes Ron, here you have the basis of the whole thread of justice. But i agree with what some of Adams has to say. Religoen has in history been used as a weapon to enforce someone's vision of justice. Just like Hitler or Saddam. Or the US or UK government today. You have to stand upon the Moral high ground, then do not move from there. The USA went to war, over weapons of mass destruction. Which i don't think anyone believes. Read my thread about the Iraq War or Adams thread about Euro and Oil. It mentions there. That the USA are commiting some of the very things, that they set out to stop. If they went to war for a lie, that is even worse. But this all boils down to duplicity of morality. They teach all school children. That it is bad to bully. But what does the USA do, for an example. It bullies poorer nations into agree with the WTO. The basis of justice. Has to be simple. The law has to enforce justice. Not anything else. As it does now. Like you mention, theft is a bad thing. In every society. You will not find any place, where they say. It is ok to steal. The same applies i believe to murder. To put it simple, you are not allow to do anything to harm another person. Physically or financially. The biggest problem that i see in the current system. Is the duel values. If i want to commit a crime. There is the police to stop me. But i happen to know, that companies and governments are breaking the laws left, right and centre. What do i have to do? I can't call the police. I have to sue. Write loads of letters and have loads of cash. This is not just. What goes 'up', must come 'down', unless it goes around and round.