| QUOTE Suburbanite, Lava
> 1. I don't owe anyone anything for them simply living and sucking at life
>> The world has given you lots, especially while growing up. Count the ways, the lives people have saved, transformed and helped through their voluntary kindness.
> And yet THIS is not a reason for me to do anything for anyone else. This is you trying to justify why I should work for other people so everyone has a smile.
No, I said that to dismantle your claim that you owe no-one anything, nothing more.
> 2. I work for my money and my education, it isn't impossible for everyone else, at any time in their lives, to go and do the same.
>>of course it is, thats precisely why we have welfare. Schizophrenia, idiocy, personality problems, etc.
>Any disorder where someone is stopped from working then I don't mind supporting them, but wake up and smell the beans cause thats not where most welfare is going to.
Some goes to those that cant work, some gose to those that wont. I think we'd need a whole nother thread to try to work out what the proportions are.
> 3. I can't really afford to pay for other people to live either; I am just making it on my own.
>> Your 32 hours a week more than pays for the essentials, what youre just making is just the standard of living youve got your sights set on. To illustrate this, go tell a Nigerian youre only just making it on $xxx a week and time how long they laugh for.
> Why don't you go tell me how much Gas in Nigeria costs, or how much a car costs in Nigeria so I can drive to work, or how much an apple costs in Nigeria so I can eat. Prices are different and I am hardly making enough to get by in AMERICA, which is the location we are talking about.
Thats not the point imo, the point is you are not just making it. 32 hours at minimum wage or more is more than enough to survive in the US. What you have goes miles beyond what the average Nigerian has.
> The reality is that in every country without welfare there are people starving, begging and stealing to try to stay alive - and many fail. If they could get a job, they would.
>>First off, prove it,
I've been to Africa and seen it. As for proof... read the news, google, whatever you like.
> second off, prove that it is because of welfare.
Its because of the absence of welfare, if they had welfare there they wouldnt be starving.
> Perhaps every wealthy society has a guilty middle class to invents welfare so sooth their troubles and if they didn't have it they would be better off. You can't prove any of this one way or another.
I'm not clear what youre asking me to prove there.
> And it isn't like trade school is unaffordable either.
>> A trade career is not accessible to those that have no credible chance of passing, schizophrenics, etc etc. I'll stick my neck out and say youve never worked with the mentally ill, homeless, etc, you seem to take what youve got for granted.
> Again get off the rare exceptions, this isn't about nut jobs it is about lazy people, the MAJORITY of the people taking my money.
I'm not talking rare exceptions, I've tried working with welfare claimants and in most cases its useless. Thre are reasons theyre on welfare, reasons no-one is employing them.
> Some will turn to crime, most will just work. Why don't they just move to Nigeria and live like kings though?[/quote]
Couldnt make sense of that. No-one is going to live like a king if they move to Nigeria.
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