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Originally posted by Compugasm,
"Right-winger, genuine conservative.." Show me one person that can clearly define the ideology that any of those words represent. You have to stop thinking of things in "Blue and Red" which seemed to be what people were critisizing Bush for in the first place, with Good vs. Evil. |
I'll be the first to admit it is a tough thing to define, but I was going for the simplest explanation possible. Right winger is, as you point out, simply a label, but one must have these things to differentiate the players. For the sake of discussion we MUST think in blue and red or no one will understand who we mean half of the time.
Liberal and Conservative are also labels, but if you try to explain the similarities and differences the two have you'll end up writing a book.
For me, I've been around long enough to see how the Conservative label as used to describe someone 30 years ago and someone under today's Bush banner has dramatically changed. The terms Right Wing and Left Wing have also similarly changed.
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| Just as you say Republicans are no longer the same, either are Democrats. For example, you define conservative as someone wishing to maintain the status quo. But most people who call themselves conservative do not wish to maintain the state of high taxes, deficit spending, expanding welfare.. Conservatives want change. |
And that illustrates the imperfection of the labels. It's a "rose by any other name" situation. You have to call them SOMETHING to identify to others who you are talking about.
BTW, I don't recall actually "defining" a Conservative. If I did, I apologize.
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After reading those snippets, I'm not sure what you expect me to refute. Or, conclude that GWB should not be president because of it. Example:
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| Does he me administration screw-ups, or protesters in suburbia burning flags in front of Starbucks? Both undeniably help OBL. In the last snippet, he basically calls everyone spoiled brats. Do you disagree? |
I have my own way of looking at things and I honestly try very hard not to let the opinions of others color my perspective. As for spoiled brats, my opinion of ANYONE who blindly follows another's rhetoric and/or propaganda is considerably less charitable.