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Originally posted by ACause,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ACause,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Gorgo,
I don't think it's so much that society owes anybody anything, but that making sure others have what they need to survive and be healthy ensures that we'll be okay if we need such things.
Should society do something to prevent us from hurting ourselves?
One first has to ask whether society has any effective means of doing that. State-imposed religion programs such as AA are not based on science, and for the most part seem ineffective. Sending millions of people to prison seems to be an effective way to siphon money from society with little good effect. |
I beg to differ...having been dry now for the past 15 yrs due to AA I can attest to its effectiveness..even though it's original foundation is based along Christian principles....the principles themselves can be found in any of a half a dozen different religions or philosophies., and AA is not state-imposed...one may be ordered to attend it...but that is no assurance the individual will pay attention and learn from it..Science so far has not been able to adress the issue of alchoholism, nor of most addictions.
As for what society owes us?...Life..in other words..you get to live...Liberty, the freedom to make your own choices in life and follow your own dreams without hindrance....Pursuit of happiness...you get out of life what you put into it..[/b][/quote]
I agree, I think AA and NA are amazing programs, something I wouldn't have thought prior to having attended. The goal and its acheivements are just remarkable, and the new perspective they give to those involved is life saving. They are very careful to support one faith or another, and even make room for atheism, but they express the need for you to identify that you're not in control of your life, and that the God of your understanding is the way in which you can acheive your goals.